The Good Old Days
by digby
Mike Barnicle and Doris Kearns-Goodwin chatted earlier this week about those halcyon days of the civil war when bipartisanship reigned and the country wasn’t divided like it is now:
BARNICLE:Doris, can you, in your wildest imagination—and I know you have a pretty good one—could you ever imagine Barack Obama making John McCain his secretary of defense, or John McCain placing Barack Obama in his cabinet, in this world filled with, as we talked about, bloggers, 24-hour cable news channels? Do you think could it happen? DORIS KEARNS GOODWIN, HISTORIAN: What it would depend upon, obviously, is the temperament of either McCain or Obama. They would have to have an enormous amount of self-confidence to be willing to do it. They would have to have a great degree of humility to be willing to do it. And you‘re right, it is much, much harder today. You know, In Lincoln‘s time, those rivals were able, in the middle of cabinet meetings, to call each other all sorts of name; you‘re an absolute scoundrel; you‘re a thief; you‘re an unprincipled liar. One would get so mad at the other, they wouldn’t to go cabinet meetings for months on end. Can you imagine if every night on the cable news we heard about these kind of arguments going on inside Washington? Yet, on the other hand, the country is so desirous of having some sort of break to the paralyzing partisanship that we have in Washington that you have a feeling that both these guys, in talking about it, may just try to reach across the aisle at some point. I suspect they will…BARNICLE: Do you think in that period of time that you covered so ably in your book about Lincoln, even in your work on Roosevelt, do you think partisanship was as pronounced in those eras, the Civil War era, the World War II era, as pronounced as it is today? Or is it just that the coverage of it is so much more available today, so much more in our face today?
Do tell. Is it really “much, much harder” today to work across the partisan divide than it was during the civil war? Apparently yes. And why is that?
BARNICLE: I don‘t want to be a downer here. And I don‘t want to appear too overly cynical. I would love to see a day just as you described, where one candidate took the other into his cabinet and a new era of bipartisanship did flourish. Yet, we in a sense—you can disagree with me or agree with me. We live in a nation of 300 million newspaper columnists, many of them crazy people with access to computers, and they blog all day long. The separation, the ideological separation of these people are such that I don‘t know that bipartisanship is still possible. What do you think?
If only the damned people would stop being so ideological maybe the Village could be civilized again! Damned citizens.
Kearns-Goodwin goes on to spout the tiresome warmed over conventional wisdom about how everybody used to get along because instead of going back to their districts and states they would hang around DC getting drunk and playing poker with each other.
I hate to be too mean to her. The idea of having a “team of rivals” is a common enough organizational principle. Some executives like the results that come from creative competition among his or her underlings. In politics it has another dimension, of course — co-opting and neutralizing your enemies, the old “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” thing. But having a couple of members of the opposing party in your cabinet doesn’t actually mean much. The term “bipartisanship” more accurately refers to legislative coalitions and compromise and that’s a much different issue — particularly when one side is so much better at rolling the other.
And anyway, this trope that there was ever a time of real bipartisan comity is a complete myth. Even during WWII the Republicans agitated against Roosevelt — he was one of the most hated (and most loved) presidents in history and this during the most mythic period of American consensus of all. The fact that Kearns-Goodwin trots out the time of the civil war as being less partisan and angry than today — even as she describes duels and assassination attempts and cabinet members not speaking to one another for months — is just bizarre. And again, one can’t help but notice that we just came through six years of ruthlessly bullying Republican dominance in which bipartisanship wasn’t even mentioned by these people as being desirable or necessary.
Apparently, it’s the damned bloggers who are causing all this trouble. I suppose the villagers can always hope that it’s only a fad and soon politics can go back to the respectable golden age of consensus between Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich (or Gettysburg!) when everyone was reasonable and respectful to their rivals. Those were the days.
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