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Month: May 2009

A Modest Proposal

by digby

Nancy Pelosi says she wasn’t told about waterboarding in 2002 and that the CIA misled the congress. Bob Graham says he wasn’t told either. Richard Shelby says he was, sort of. Porter Goss says he wasn’t but everyone thinks he said he was. The classified briefings have been sent up to Capitol Hill and Republican Senator Kit Bond, who says he has seen them, claims they prove that Pelosi is lying. (He also claims that Pelosi could have called for closed hearings on the subject, which is disputed by the rules of the House.)

Leon Panetta released a memo to his troops today which said this:

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

These “partisan food fights” are just so tiring. (Why can’t these people just work together for the good of the American people?) Even Chris Matthews, Jim Warren and Ron Brownstein all agreed today that the partisans are out of control on this thing and the president really needs to put it all behind him and move on (especially considering that kicking the crazed hard left in the teeth is such good politics.)

It’s pretty clear that all this partisan bickering means the “he said/she said” can’t be solved by a truth commission or even a DOJ investigation. After all, they weren’t allowed to take notes, and the CIA’s records when it comes to torture can’t be considered dispositive since they are just a teeny bit implicated themselves. It’s a pickle.

But since they are considered by so many people to be reliable and useful, perhaps ought to consider using some enhanced interrogation techniques on the principals so we can get to the truth of this matter. After all, if they were reliable enough to keep the nation safe from evildoers, they would certainly be reliable enough to get politicians and bureaucrats to admit what happened in some CIA briefings.

And it’s not like this stuff is torture or anything. It doesn’t equal the pain equivalent to organ failure. It doesn’t leave many marks and there is supposedly no lasting psychological damage, so it’s hard to see why any of these people would object to being put to the test on the waterboard. And since we have a very complete rule book in those OLC memos, which according to numerous commenters, are very well reasoned and totally within in the purview of the president to authorize, we can use them as the guideline.

We could even stipulate that no one could be waterboarded more than 83 times or kept awake in shackles for longer than say 21 days at a stretch. (After all, politicians routinely endure sleep deprivation when they’re campaign, so they’ve ben trained in resisting such enhanced techniques.) We could agree that if they are kept naked any videos would be destroyed and all pictures would be withheld as long as possible. (And for the good of the nation, I would have to agree that they be destroyed as well. There’s only so much people can take.)

Diapering, forced enemas, walling, solitary confinement and being put in coffins with bugs will only be used if the subjects refuse to admit what they’ve done. (We’re not completely uncivilized, after all.) (We’re not sure what that is, admittedly, but it’s logical that it’s best discerned by who cracks last. This would work along the lines of other tried and true techniques for getting to the truth, like witch dunking.)

It’s not as if these techniques are cruel or inhuman. They aren’t even illegal if the president authorizes it (although we may have to conduct the interrogations on a ship at sea somewhere, just to be sure we don’t violate the spirit of the constitution.) There is absolutely no reason that we can’t use them to get to the truth in Washington as we used them to get to the truth in Afghanistan and Guantanamo. After all, the Obama administration is all about “what works.”

So, let’s “interrogate” the lot of them — Cheney, Pelosi, Graham, Goss, Shelby, Kit Bond, the CIA briefers, anyone on the Senate and House staffs who may have been privy to these classified hearings. In my view, to fail to use these techniques is a slap in the face to all the fine American military personnel who ever went through the SERE program. As far as I’m concerned, we might as well be spitting on the troops if we don’t agree to start using torture on members of the US Government.

As Dick Cheney said, “it’s a no-brainer.”

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“All Now About Her”

by dday

Adam Nagourney, amazingly taking the position of questioning the Democrat in a debate:

I don’t know why Nancy Pelosi wants to get involved in a fight with the CIA that is all now about her, questions about her credibility.

Here’s the media drill. The CIA puts out a bogus list of assertions. Nancy Pelosi questions them, along with practically everyone else who was briefed. And the story becomes about Nancy Pelosi rather than the discredited assertions of the CIA. And of course all of this misdirects the key new information about torture, that the Vice President has been charged by top officials of desiring to torture detainees to extract false confessions about a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and justify the invasion of Iraq.

Multiple news accounts this morning report that Pelosi’s credibility is in question after yesterday’s press conference, in which she accused the CIA of lying about what they told members of Congress about the agency’s use of torture. This theme was sounded by MSNBC, WaPo’s Dan Balz, the New York Times write-up, and many others.

That’s as it should be. But I challenge you to find a news account that stated with equal prominence that the CIA’s credibility is also in question.

Let’s briefly recap. Three senior Democrats — Pelosi, Bob Graham, and Jay Rockefeller — have all publicly claimed that the CIA didn’t brief them about the use of torture in the manner the agency has claimed. Meanwhile, the CIA itself has conceded that its own accounting may not be accurate.

Yet key facts that cast doubt on the CIA’s claims have been buried or completely omitted from multiple news reports. The Times’s first mention of Graham’s claims came today, five days after he first made them, and they were buried in the 22nd paragraph of the paper’s write-up. Neither The Time nor The Post have even mentioned Rockefeller’s claims once. The networks have refused across the board to mention the CIA’s own unwillingness to vouch for the accuracy of its information.

Even Leon Panetta’s response to Pelosi today fails to stand behind their documents, hedging his bets by saying that “it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.” And Pelosi, for her part, wants to evaluate all the evidence, another fact left out of the news reports.

Everybody’s talking about Nancy Pelosi’s press conference yesterday. I’m listening to Republicans on cable yapping about this contradiction or that contradiction. But what I’ve seen very little attention to is the fact that Pelosi had an answer that really answers all the questions, a plenary answer you might say: she supports a Truth Commission […]

That says it all. She wants it all investigated. The whole point of this storm about Pelosi is that her critics want her to be embarrassed and stop supporting a Truth Commission or any sort of examination of what happened. But she’s not. She still says there should be an investigation. Her critics still want the book closed. That says it all. She’ll have to stand or fall with the results of an actual investigation. Her opponents on this are simply risible hypocrites.

And who are her opponents? The media swarm, which is chasing the soccer ball of the latest conflict rather than exercising any judgment about the relative merits of all the claims or the additional circumstances.

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The Strongest Animal

by digby

This is just sad:

An Obama administration official says the United States has released the Guantanamo Bay prisoner who was at the center of a Supreme Court battle giving detainees the right to challenge their confinement.The official said Lakhdar Boumediene left the U.S. naval facility in Cuba Friday headed to relatives in France. The official spoke on a condition of anonymity because the release was not yet cleared for official announcement.

Everybody knows the name Boumadiene because of the Supreme Court case bearing his name which restored the writ of habeas corpus. But I wonder if people recall Boumadiene’s story. Here’s the wikipedia version:

In early October 2001, less than a month after al Qaeda‘s attack on September 11, 2001, American intelligence analysts in the Embassy became concerned that an increase in chatter was a clue that al Qaeda was planning an attack on their embassy. At their request Bosnia arrested Bensayah Belkacem, the man they believed had made dozens of phone calls to Afghanistan and Pakistan, and five acquaintances of his. All six men were residents of Bosnia, who were born in Algeria. Five of the men were Bosnian citizens. In January 2002, the Supreme Court of Bosnia ruled that there was no evidence to hold the six men, ordered the charges dropped and the men released. American forces, including troops who were part of a 3,000 man American peace-keeping contingent in Bosnia were waiting for the six men upon their release from Bosnia custody, and transported them to Guantanamo. On November 20th, 2008, U.S. District Judge Richard J. Leon ordered the release Lakhdar Boumediene along with four other Algerians he was being held with. A sixth Algerian detainee, Belkacem Bensayah, was not ordered to be released.[2]

This man was kidnapped from the streets of Bosnia and rendered to Guantanamo where he sat in prison for more than six years. Now he is free to go back to his life as if it never happened. Huzzah.
But all that sounds so dry and bureaucratic. You hardly get the sense that any of it had to do with actual human beings. Perhaps this excerpt, from Jane Mayer’s 2005 article in the New Yorker called “Outsourcing Torture” about one of Boumadiene’s fellow Bosnians, will illustrate that a bit, lest we forget that these were people with real lives and people who loved them:

Nadja Dizdarevic is a thirty-year-old mother of four who lives in Sarajevo. On October 21, 2001, her husband, Hadj Boudella, a Muslim of Algerian descent, and five other Algerians living in Bosnia were arrested after U.S. authorities tipped off the Bosnian government to an alleged plot by the group to blow up the American and British Embassies in Sarajevo. One of the suspects reportedly placed some seventy phone calls to the Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah in the days after September 11th. Boudella and his wife, however, maintain that neither he nor several of the other defendants knew the man who had allegedly contacted Zubaydah. And an investigation by the Bosnian government turned up no confirmation that the calls to Zubaydah were made at all, according to the men’s American lawyers, Rob Kirsch and Stephen Oleskey. At the request of the U.S., the Bosnian government held all six men for three months, but was unable to substantiate any criminal charges against them. On January 17, 2002, the Bosnian Supreme Court ruled that they should be released. Instead, as the men left prison, they were handcuffed, forced to put on surgical masks with nose clips, covered in hoods, and herded into waiting unmarked cars by masked figures, some of whom appeared to be members of the Bosnian special forces. Boudella’s wife had come to the prison to meet her husband, and she recalled that she recognized him, despite the hood, because he was wearing a new suit that she had brought him the day before. “I will never forget that night,” she said. “It was snowing. I was screaming for someone to help.” A crowd gathered, and tried to block the convoy, but it sped off. The suspects were taken to a military airbase and kept in a freezing hangar for hours; one member of the group later claimed that he saw one of the abductors remove his Bosnian uniform, revealing that he was in fact American. The U.S. government has neither confirmed nor denied its role in the operation. Six days after the abduction, Boudella’s wife received word that her husband and the other men had been sent to Guantánamo. One man in the group has alleged that two of his fingers were broken by U.S. soldiers. Little is publicly known about the welfare of the others. Boudella’s wife said that she was astounded that her husband could be seized without charge or trial, at home during peacetime and after his own government had exonerated him. The term “enemy combatant” perplexed her. “He is an enemy of whom?” she asked. “In combat where?” She said that her view of America had changed. “I have not changed my opinion about its people, but unfortunately I have changed my opinion about its respect for human rights,” she said. “It is no longer the leader in the world. It has become the leader in the violation of human rights.” In October, Boudella attempted to plead his innocence before the Pentagon’s Combatant Status Review Tribunal. The C.S.R.T. is the Pentagon’s answer to the Supreme Court’s ruling last year, over the Bush Administration’s objections, that detainees in Guantánamo had a right to challenge their imprisonment. Boudella was not allowed to bring a lawyer to the proceeding. And the tribunal said that it was “unable to locate” a copy of the Bosnian Supreme Court’s verdict freeing him, which he had requested that it read. Transcripts show that Boudella stated, “I am against any terrorist acts,” and asked, “How could I be part of an organization that I strongly believe has harmed my people?” The tribunal rejected his plea, as it has rejected three hundred and eighty-seven of the three hundred and ninety-three pleas it has heard. Upon learning this, Boudella’s wife sent the following letter to her husband’s American lawyers:

Dear Friends, I am so shocked by this information that it seems as if my blood froze in my veins, I can’t breathe and I wish I was dead. I can’t believe these things can happen, that they can come and take your husband away, overnight and without reason, destroy your family, ruin your dreams after three years of fight. . . . Please, tell me, what can I still do for him? . . . Is this decision final, what are the legal remedies? Help me to understand because, as far as I know the law, this is insane, contrary to all possible laws and human rights. Please help me, I don’t want to lose him.



John Radsan, the former C.I.A. lawyer, offered a reply of sorts. “As a society, we haven’t figured out what the rough rules are yet,” he said. “There are hardly any rules for illegal enemy combatants. It’s the law of the jungle. And right now we happen to be the strongest animal.”

That is what we did to innocent people. Maybe most Americans don’t think we should play the blame game, but I’m not sure people around the world will be satisfied that we have actually stopped acting like animals based solely on our promise to stop being animals.

In that regard, Obama has announced that he will reinstate the Military Commissions. The only reason to do that is because the US has people in custody whom they can’t prove guilty in either civilian court or a normal military court. But somebody, somewhere believes they are guilty anyway and so a separate justice system that will allow them to be “proven” guilty must be created. It’s an interesting concept. I guess we’ll just have to count on the good faith and good will of our leaders to always know who’s “really” guilty. As a reader wrote into Jack Cafferty yesterday (about the Abu Ghraib photos):

Why are we always second guessing the president. Give him a break on this. And while I’m ranting, I wish we’d stop taking those ideologue positions of liberal and conservative views on everything. P.S., I’m a radical liberal Democrat myself, but I pledge to give that up right now.”

Words to live by.
By the way, I have to wonder why it’s taken centuries to come up with the civilian and military justice systems? Apparently, creating a new one is piece of cake. Why all the sturm and drang with appellate court challenges and legislation? Just put it in a presidential memo and carry on.

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Lies My Insurance Industry Told Me

by dday

I know I’m heartened by the news that Democrats plan to develop a plan to communicate on health care. Who thought of that, give him or her a cookie! To think, political parties can create a “message” that they can “argue” to the “public.” It’s really heady stuff.

Senator Evan Bayh, Democrat of Indiana, said many Democrats felt “unease that we did not have a strategy” to answer the criticism coming from Republican members of Congress and Republican consultants like Frank I. Luntz, an expert on the language of politics.

Senate Democrats met for more than an hour at the Capitol with David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, and Jim Messina, a deputy White House chief of staff.

“Axelrod came to reassure us that they do have a strategy,” Mr. Bayh said.

Wouldn’t want to make Evan Bayh nervous that there wasn’t a structure in place for him to defy. Oh, and the Luntz talking points are 16 years old, so if you were caught flat-footed by them you’re not much of a politician.

Incidentally, the details of the Democratic messaging on this give me a little pause. Max Baucus explained that “You can choose your own doctor, you can choose your own health plan. There’s total choice here. I do not want to say this defensively, but this is not a big government plan.” If you’re saying “I do not want to say this defensively,” then you’re saying it defensively.

The overall message is one of “shared responsibility,” which just doesn’t sound all that consumer-friendly. Especially when the “sharing” part of the responsibility has already started to collapse.

Hospitals and insurance companies said Thursday that President Obama had substantially overstated their promise earlier this week to reduce the growth of health spending.

Mr. Obama invited health industry leaders to the White House on Monday to trumpet their cost-control commitments. But three days later, confusion swirled in Washington as the companies’ trade associations raced to tamp down angst among members around the country […]

Health care leaders who attended the meeting have a different interpretation. They say they agreed to slow health spending in a more gradual way and did not pledge specific year-by-year cuts.

“There’s been a lot of misunderstanding that has caused a lot of consternation among our members,” said Richard J. Umbdenstock, the president of the American Hospital Association. “I’ve spent the better part of the last three days trying to deal with it.”

These are out and out lies coming from the industry. We have their pledge in writing, calling for a reduction of 1.5 percentage points to the annual growth of health care. Now they’re trying to hedge that the 1.5% would be achieved eventually. You knew they would backtrack, I guess I’m surprised it happened within five days, but since $2 trillion dollars in savings equals $2 trillion dollars in their profits, this idea that they would patriotically put the good of the country ahead of their bottom line was always suspect.

So I have another “message” for David Axelrod, Max Baucus and the gang. How about this: “the insurance companies are thieves, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt, and we need to both enforce their proposed savings and institute a public health care plan to compete with them on price and quality of service.”

Has the benefit of being true.

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We tortured to justify war

by tristero

Many of us realized a while ago that the real purpose of all the torture Bush and Cheney ordered was to elicit false information of an al Qaeda/Saddam connection that would justify an invasion of Iraq, an obsession of the Cheney circle that predated 9/11. But Joe Conason has written an especially compelling essay laying out the evidence piece by piece.

There simply is no good reason why the leading members of the Bush administration who ordered, justified, and implemented torture should not stand trial. And many good reasons why they should.

Hard Choices

by digby

I happened to catch a rerun of one of those Arthur Miller seminars on PBS called Reinventing Health Care. There was the usual array of people from different parts of the health care system represented, everyone from a rural doctor who treats people mostly for free to giant health care CEOs. (The biggest asshole, of course, was a lying piece of work named Michael Tanner of the Cato Institute, followed closely by some wingnut harridan from Harvard Business School who thinks that we should “give money back to the people” because “it’s their money.”)

When one of the health care CEOs said that there’s magical thinking that says government is an endless pot of money and we have to make “hard choices” Pete Peterson Foundation president David Walker said this:

News flash. The government has no money. The government is running huge deficits it’s tens of trillions of dollars in the hole in real accounting on an accrual basis and if there’s one thing that can bankrupt America, it’s health care and we’re going to have to make choices and one of the choices we have to make is how do we ration, rationally.

He kept saying that people need “basic and essential” coverage, whatever that means.

I don’t believe that David Walker thinks we shouldn’t reform health care. He said some other things in the program that indicated he believed that there should be some form of universal coverage, scientific outcomes and other reasonable things. But his and others’ insistence on talking about rationing is going to tank the thing because that’s exactly what Frank Luntz has determined is the kiss of death.

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People In Hell Want Ice Water, Too

by digby

Michael Savage wants the Secretary of State to intervene for him:

“I want my name off of that list and I want a letter of apology from this [British Home Secretary] Jacqui Smith.” Now it appears that Savage is seeking help from an old nemesis: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The San Fransisco Chronicle’s Rich Lieberman reports that “[l]awyers for Savage are formally asking [that] she call on the British Government to withdraw its ban.” It’s interesting that Savage is now turning to Clinton for help, considering what he has had to say about her in the past. Some examples:

– “Hillary Clinton, the most Godless woman in the Senate.” – Regarding one of Clinton’s speeches: “That’s rubbish. That’s Hitler dialogue. Goebbels would be proud of you, Hillary Clinton. I know Mao Zedong would have been proud of you.” – “[Clinton has] destroyed the war effort against terror. And if, God forbid, a suitcase bomb goes off you’ll know who to blame.” – On Clinton’s run for the presidency: “[She would] stir up a race war, a civil war in the country to get that hag, that harridan elected.”

Savage also once suggested that Clinton had something to do with the death of John F. Kennedy Jr. so she could run for U.S. Senate in New York.

I’m sure she’ll get right on that ….

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Little Single Payer

by digby

Obama had a town hall meeting and a very sharp woman in the audience asked him why we can’t have single payer health care. Here’s is his answer:

Obama replied……. so this touches on your point, and that is, why not do a single-payer system. (Applause.) Got the little single-payer advocates up here. (Applause.) All right. For those of you who don’t know, a single-payer system is like — Medicare is sort of a single-payer system, but it’s only for people over 65, and the way it works is, the idea is that you don’t have insurance companies as middlemen. The government goes directly — (applause) — and pays doctors or nurses.

If I were starting a system from scratch, then I think that the idea of moving towards a single-payer system could very well make sense. That’s the kind of system that you have in most industrialized countries around the world.

The only problem is that we’re not starting from scratch. We have historically a tradition of employer-based health care. And although there are a lot of people who are not satisfied with their health care, the truth is, is that the vast majority of people currently get health care from their employers and you’ve got this system that’s already in place. We don’t want a huge disruption as we go into health care reform where suddenly we’re trying to completely reinvent one-sixth of the economy.

So what I’ve said is, let’s set up a system where if you already have health care through your employer and you’re happy with it, you don’t have to change doctors, you don’t have to change plans — nothing changes. If you don’t have health care or you’re highly unsatisfied with your health care, then let’s give you choices, let’s give you options, including a public plan that you could enroll in and sign up for. That’s been my proposal. (Applause.)

Now, obviously as President I’ve got to work with Congress to get this done and — (laughter.) There are folks in Congress who are doing terrific work, they’re working hard. They’ve been having a series of hearings. I’m confident that both the House and the Senate are going to produce a bill before the August recess. And it may not have everything I want in there or everything you want in there, but it will be a vast improvement over what we currently have.

We’ll then have to reconcile the two bills, but I’m confident that we are going to get health care reform this year and start putting us on a path that’s sustainable over the long term. (Applause.) That’s a commitment I made during the campaign; I intend to keep it.

I understand the political problem with single payer — that is that the majority of politicians are bought and paid for by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries and it’s very difficult to ask people to give up something they have for something new. Let’s not kid ourselves about that. It’s just another symptom of a dysfunctional political system that isn’t going to be solved by one party or the other coming into power.

However, what this underscores is the absolute, bottom line necessity of the public plan option. Without it we will have at best a lightly regulated insurance industry and some kind of mandate,which is a recipe for disaster. Under the current dysfunctional system, the only way to get to a system that truly makes sense — which the president himself acknowledges is single payer — is for there to be a public option which will have all the advantages of the economy of scale the government can offer. Eventually most people will move to that system as it becomes known as the least expensive and most efficient. And that is why the health industry is going to put its full weight behind stopping it.

There are many moving parts in the health care debate, and nobody knows where it’s going to end up. But that woman asked a great question today and it got a nice round of applause from the audience. Even though Obama called them the “little single-payer” advocates, it’s important the people keep asking it or this debate is going to be a full production of the health industrial complex. (She also asked why members of congress should be allowed to work on health care when they have such conflicts of interest with the health industry, and the President didn’t address it.)

Meanwhile, in case anyone is under the impression that this is a simple process, note that the circus is in town:

Lobbying may be the one remaining recession-proof industry, and as Washington prepares for a summer-long debate over how to reform health care, lobbyists for every conceivable interest group have camped out in congressional anterooms to press their case. There are advocates for doctors, insurance companies, patients, nurses, pharmaceutical companies, big business and small business. And for faith healers too. Of course, they wouldn’t call themselves “faith healers.” They argue that the term dismisses what they do as simple wishful thinking. But practitioners of Christian Science as well as other alternative therapies — including acupuncture, biofeedback, herbal medicine, holistic medicine and Reiki, a Japanese healing and relaxation technique — are intent on influencing the coming health-care-reform process. “We’re advocates for people who want access to spiritual treatment,” says Phil Davis, a Christian Science practitioner and his church’s chief lobbyist. Their goal is to encourage Congress to think of health care as more than just medical care — and to allow insurance companies to provide coverage for their holistic treatments. The Christian Scientists have had some success in this area in the past. Founded in 1866 by Mary Baker Eddy, the Church of Christ, Scientist has worked for nearly a century with state licensing boards and legislatures to obtain recognition or acceptance for its practitioners, who treat injured or ill individuals by praying for them. Contrary to popular belief, Christian Scientists are not prevented from seeking medical treatment; the church just wants to make sure that both members and nonmembers are also able to afford visits to practitioners, which typically cost from $20 to $30 per session, and longer-term services of private nurses (who provide nonmedical care such as bathing, dressing wounds and feeding) and nursing facilities. TRICARE, the military health plan, already covers these services. And the Federal Employee Health Benefits program provides partial reimbursement for stays in Christian Science nursing facilities. More recently, Christian Scientists were able to obtain a special provision in the universal health-care plan enacted in Massachusetts, where the church is headquartered. In addition to exempting Christian Scientists from the requirement that all Massachusetts residents carry health insurance, the state allowed private insurer Tufts Health Plan to cover both medical and spiritual care, including stays at church nursing facilities.

Oy.

Update: Here’s an interesting piece on the current state of play in the senate. It doesn’t exactly fill one with optimism.
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Mindset

by digby

I’m watching a leering Dan Lundgren on Hardball spout the usual blather about how “we need to remember where we were” when all this torture took place. According to the torture apologists we were wetting our pants in fear that the boogey men were coming to kill us all in our beds any second and so we can’t be held responsible for committing war crimes.

For the sake of argument, let’s say that’s an acceptable excuse for adults to make. Where the logic of that argument breaks down is the actions the Bush administration took in other areas — invading Iraq for instance. From nearly the moment 9/11 happened Cheney, Rummy and the neocons were working up a case to invade Iraq based not upon evidence that Iraq posed a threat, but based upon a long standing grudge against Saddam Hussein, a grudge that was documented and argued for long before 9/11.

I hate to drag this moldy old stuff out again, but apparently, it has to be done. I wrote this in the very first week I started this blog over six years ago:

Invading Iraq on a thin pretext (which is what is going to happen because this war is already timed for American convenience and nothing else) is possibly going to set off chain of events that could have been avoided if we handled the situation with a little more sophistication and finesse instead of fulfilling some long held neocon wet dream. And that is the real problem.

The Wolfowitz/Perle school never took terrorism seriously when it was becoming a threat on the world stage and they don’t take it seriously now. The influential CSP issued only 2 reports since the 1998 embassy bombing about the threat of terrorism until 9/11. The PNAC has been wringing their hands about Iraq and pushing for missile defense for years, but terrorism was hardly even on the radar screen. They are about China, Iraq, North Korea, Israel, US “benevolent” hegemony and missile defense. Period. Anything else will be subsumed under what they believe is the real agenda.

As with the ever changing justifications for the tax cuts for their rich friends, Bush and his foreign policy mavens are so myopic that they pursue their preordained agenda no matter what the current situation. They seem completely incapable of exercising any flexibility in light of changing circumstances. They just find a way to use the changing circumstances to justify what they plan to do anyway.

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The Bush administration shows every day that they are willing to compromise American security rather than compromise goals that anyone else would have reevaluated in light of the new priorities wrought by the destruction and death of September 11th. But, apparently even the demolition of the World Trade Center was not enough to blow them off the course they set those many years ago.

One can only hope that their misguided relentlessness doesn’t blow back on us in ways that are too terrible to contemplate.

The fact that they insisted on going into Iraq, exacerbating the hatred in the mid east, making the whole world mistrust us, simply because 9/11 provided a pretext to do what they had wanted to do for years before the attacks, puts the lie to all of these excuses about our post 9/11 “mindset” leading us to be so worried about the next terrorist attack that we had to torture prisoners to keep the babies safe.

If they had cared about keeping the babies safe they wouldn’t have invaded a country in the middle east which had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks, thereby giving the Islamic fundamentalists and the rest of the world good reason to believe that we had completely lost our moorings and proving everything the terrorists said about us.

And we know now that the two worst ecsions of the Bush years — torture and Iraq — are intertwined, don’t we? Check this out:

Robert Windrem, who covered terrorism for NBC, reports exclusively in The Daily Beast that:

*Two U.S. intelligence officers confirm that Vice President Cheney’s office suggested waterboarding an Iraqi prisoner, a former intelligence official for Saddam Hussein, who was suspected to have knowledge of a Saddam-al Qaeda connection. *The former chief of the Iraq Survey Group, Charles Duelfer, in charge of interrogations, tells The Daily Beast that he considered the request reprehensible. *Much of the information in the report of the 9/11 Commission was provided through more than 30 sessions of torture of detainees.

At the end of April 2003, not long after the fall of Baghdad, U.S. forces captured an Iraqi who Bush White House officials suspected might provide information of a relationship between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein’s regime. Muhammed Khudayr al-Dulaymi was the head of the M-14 section of Mukhabarat, one of Saddam’s secret police organizations. His responsibilities included chemical weapons and contacts with terrorist groups.

Two senior U.S. intelligence officials at the time tell The Daily Beast that the suggestion to waterboard an Iraqi prisoner came from the Office of Vice President Cheney.

“To those who wanted or suspected a relationship, he would have been a guy who would know, so [White House officials] had particular interest,” Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraqi Survey Group and the man in charge of interrogations of Iraqi officials, told me. So much so that the officials, according to Duelfer, inquired how the interrogation was proceeding.

In his new book, Hide and Seek: The Search for Truth in Iraq, and in an interview with The Daily Beast, Duelfer says he heard from “some in Washington at very senior levels (not in the CIA),” who thought Khudayr’s interrogation had been “too gentle” and suggested another route, one that they believed has proven effective elsewhere. “They asked if enhanced measures, such as waterboarding, should be used,” Duelfer writes. “The executive authorities addressing those measures made clear that such techniques could legally be applied only to terrorism cases, and our debriefings were not as yet terrorism-related. The debriefings were just debriefings, even for this creature.”

Duelfer will not disclose who in Washington had proposed the use of waterboarding, saying only: “The language I can use is what has been cleared.” In fact, two senior U.S. intelligence officials at the time tell The Daily Beast that the suggestion to waterboard came from the Office of Vice President Cheney. Cheney, of course, has vehemently defended waterboarding and other harsh techniques, insisting they elicited valuable intelligence and saved lives. He has also asked that several memoranda be declassified to prove his case. (The Daily Beast placed a call to Cheney’s office and will post a response if we get one.)

Without admitting where the suggestion came from, Duelfer revealed that he considered it reprehensible and understood the rationale as political—and ultimately counterproductive to the overall mission of the Iraq Survey Group, which was assigned the mission of finding Saddam Hussein’s WMD after the invasion.

“Everyone knew there would be more smiles in Washington if WMD stocks were found,” Duelfer said in the interview. “My only obligation was to find the truth. It would be interesting if there was WMD in May 2003, but what was more interesting to me was looking at the entire regime through the slice of WMD.”

But, Duelfer says, Khudayr in fact repeatedly denied knowing the location of WMD or links between Saddam’s regime and al Qaeda and was not subjected to any enhanced interrogation. Duelfer says the idea that he would have known of such links was “ludicrous”.

By now there is overwhelming evidence that Cheney was desperate to find a connection between Iraq and 9/11. He pressured the CIA. He outed a CIA agent. He went on television and said that it was proven. What we didn’t know until recently was the extent to which he was pressuring the CIA to torture false confessions out of prisoners to back up his claims. Much of that still remains cloudy, but it’s quite clear to sentient beings that there were people involved in the torture regime who had to know very well that the torture they employed was designed to produce false confessions. The CIA and the top echelons of the Pentagon and the White House simply aren’t that dumb.

So, now we find out that it’s likely Cheney wanted to waterboard Iraqis too, and was only stopped because a quasi-independent investigation was involved. Big surprise.

As Greenwald writes today, torture is just one of many things the United States did in the last few years to garner the extreme hatred of people around the world, so it’s not really reasonable to say that these pictures will somehow make it worse. It’s hardly possible for it to be worse. But using torture to manufacture a false casus belli to justify the invasion of Iraq is so bad that it has to be confronted or this country will be seen as a very dangerous, rogue superpower forever. There is nothing more dangerous to our national security. Schoolyard bully ideology and crazed incoherence is a luxury in which a powerful nation simply can’t afford to indulge. Kim Jong Il is hardly more nutty than Cheney at this point.

*And in case anyone thinks that all of the public support for torture is based upon some highminded belief that they had to get information to prevent further attacks, here’s a letter sent in to Jack Cafferty today in response to his query about whether Obama should have withheld the Iraq photos:

As long as they also show the photos of the people who had to jump from the World trade center, of the planes crashing into the twin towers and the pentagon, etc, then I have no problem with the torture photos. I’m sure most people would say to you, these people weren’t tortured enough.

The Iraqis shown in the photos had nothing to do with 9/11, of course. And this person obviously sees the torture fulfilling a slightly different function than intelligence gathering. I suspect she’s not alone in that sentiment. They all look alike, right?

Update: I’m sure you’ve all seen this other bombshell from Lawrence Wilkerson, declaring that Cheney order more waterboarding even after he was “compliant” in his mad search for links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Cheney stopped ordering this torture only after Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi confessed to such ties under waterboarding in Egypt.

As Marcy writes:

…. sometime in February 2002–when Bush was declaring that the Geneva Convention did not apply to al Qaeda and when Bruce Jessen was pitching torture to JPRA–Cheney was personally (according to Wilkerson) ordering up waterboarding. The DIA immediately labeled the result of this session of waterboarding probable disinformation. And a month later, when the CIA captured Abu Zubaydah, James Mitchell immediately set up as a contractor so he could waterboard Abu Zubaydah. We chose waterboarding–not simply torture, but waterboarding itself–knowing it’d be unreliable. Or rather, Dick Cheney chose it.

That does appear to be the case. They were saying it wasn’t reliable even as it was happening. One can only conclude that was exactly why Cheney kept ordering it to be done until he got what he wanted.

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Cave-Ins Upon Cave-Ins

by dday

I’m fairly livid at my party right now. First we had the President withholding the release of prisoner abuse photos. Then the Department of Homeland Security responded to conservative whiners and pulled the report on right-wing extremism, which I’m sure will be a great comfort to everyone during the next Ruby Ridge or Pittsburgh cop shooter. And then

A bill by Senate Democrats would fund the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but it would block the transfer of any of the detainees to the United States.

The move is aimed at sidestepping a political minefield that President Obama has confronted in his promise to close the military prison during his first year in office. Lawmakers of both parties have bristled at the notion of bringing Guantanamo terrorism suspects to detention facilities in the United States […]

The administration has yet to produce a plan for dealing with the approximately 240 Guantanamo detainees, but Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has said that between 50 and 100 would end up in U.S. facilities.

The $96.7-billion measure headed for a House vote today contains no funds to transfer the Guantanamo detainees, though the Pentagon retains the ability to seek informal approval to move funds from other accounts.

So they appropriate money to close Gitmo, but not transfer the prisoners. That floating island of plastic must be looking pretty good right about now.

I think the main reason here is that the White House has not presented a formal plan for transfer. But we all know what this looks like – Democrats caved to the patently ridiculous charge that dangerous terrorists will be let loose in America to shop at Wal-Mart and play in your corporate softball game, instead of leaving the prisoners among the nice tropical breezes of Guantanamo. I thought the era of paying attention to ridiculous wingnut hissy fits had ended, but clearly not in Washington. They’re still acting like the good neutered puppies Grover Norquist always wanted them to be.

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