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Month: July 2012

“Deriving their just power from the consent of the governed” (as long as they can prove to Republicans that they’re worthy)

“Deriving their just power from the consent of the governed” (as long as they can prove to Republicans that they’re worthy)

by digby

Happy 4th of July everybody:

One would have thought that after 2000, Americans would have gone out of their way to secure the franchise for the people, made voting simpler, ensured the integrity of the count. Instead we are doing this.

Who’s winning again?

Sorry for the bad mood on the 4th, but well … it’s bad. Democracy itself is under attack. I don’t think Thomas Jefferson had this sort of thing in mind when he wrote the great document.

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Founding fathers quotes you probably haven’t heard, by @DavidOAtkins

Founding fathers quotes you probably haven’t heard

by David Atkins

On July 4th, enjoy some of the less famous quotes from the founders of our country.

Thomas Paine:

Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated lands, owes to the community ground-rent (for I know of no better term to express the idea) for the land which he holds; and it is from this ground-rent that the fund prod in this plan is to issue.
The property owners owe rent to those who do not own property for the privilege of cultivating the land, and taking away the natural ownership that all people have…

To create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling, as a compensation in part, for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property: And also, the sum of ten pounds per annum, during life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age.

James Madison:

There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by … corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”

Benjamin Franklin:

All the property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.

Benjamin Franklin again:

Finally, there seem to be but three Ways for a Nation to acquire Wealth. The first is by War as the Romans did in plundering their conquered Neighbours. This is Robbery. The second by Commerce which is generally Cheating…

And finally, a better-known quote from Thomas Jefferson:

“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”

Bunch of commies.

Enjoy your 4th of July!

Update: Jon Schwartz at A Tiny Revolution has another great one, this time from John Adams:

[P]ower always follows property. This I believe to be as infallible a maxim in politics, as that action and reaction are equal is in mechanics. Nay, I believe we may advance one step farther, and affirm that the balance of power in a society accompanies the balance of property in land. The only possible way, then, of preserving the balance of power on the side of equal liberty and public virtue is to make the acquisition of land easy to every member of society; to make a division of the land into small quantities, so that the multitude may be possessed of landed estates. If the multitude is possessed of the balance of real estate, the multitude will have the balance of power, and in that case the multitude will take care of the liberty, virtue, and interest of the multitude in all acts of government.

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Stand your ground or circular firing squad?

Stand your ground or circular firing squad?

by digby

“[Stand Your Ground] states have a higher percentage of black population, more likely to have a Republican governor, higher incarceration rates and more police officers. These states also tend to be more urban, and have a higher poverty rate.”

and yet:

Using homicide data from 2006 to 2008, the years after a wave of legislatures passed such laws in 2006, the researchers found that “Stand Your Ground” laws, which provide protection for deadly use of force in self-defense in a public place, results in a “significant increase in the number of homicides among whites, especially white males.” The results are found to be specific to “Stand Your Ground” laws and the effect doesn’t extend to other laws passed in the interest of self-defense.


“According to our estimates, between 4.4 and 7.4 additional white males are killed each month as a result of these laws. We find no evidence to suggest that these laws increase homicides among blacks,” the researchers write in the paper. “Our findings raise serious doubts against the argument that Stand Your Ground laws make America safer.”

“At least some of the people getting killed are bystanders, which is more than enough to raise serious concerns about these laws,” Professor Tekin told Raw Story. He said in research they’re prepping for a published journal article that includes more recent data, they’re actually finding their results will show a stronger effect on net deaths as more data is included.
I don’t think it is any accident that these laws were enacted in places with large urban centers and African American populations. But it would appear that the joke is one them. The fools are killing each other and innocent bystanders.

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How Democrats fall into the welfare trap, by @DavidOAtkins

How Democrats fall into the welfare trap

by David Atkins

Digby and Dave Dayen have been doing a tremendous job of highlighting the ridiculous conventional wisdom that all of the GOP governors will opt in to the Medicaid expansion in ACA simply because the hospitals want them to. The CW assumes that Republican governors are driven purely by corporate greed, rather than a deep ideological commitment to the idea that the undeserving poor should be left to suffer out of a sense of Calvinist cosmic justice. For GOP governors and their base, there are two kinds of people: those who deserve to prosper and be happy and those who don’t. For them, the greatest injustice in the world is the taking of their tax dollars to assist the undeserving, and the removal of their private authority to abuse and exploit the undeserving.

Sometimes the definition of “undeserving” is based on race. Sometimes on gender. Sometimes on sexual orientation. Sometimes simply based on how much money one has, which in circular fashion is itself proof of one’s worth. Sometimes it’s all of the above. But for modern Republicans, it’s about much more than just the money. It’s about ideology.

Which in turn leads to a very important point that Digby made earlier:

But then that was always going to be a problem when they decided to continue to have a taxpayer funded program for the poor rather than a taxpayer funded program for everyone.

This is the heart of the problem. The reason that Social Security and Medicare are so popular is because they’re for everyone over the age of 65. From a financial and economic justice standpoint it would make sense to means test social security so that multimillionaires aren’t getting those government checks. But from a political standpoint it would be a disastrous conversion of a popular universal program into a welfare program for the less fortunate. Social Security works functionally and politically because everyone over a certain age is eligible for it. The same goes for Medicare.

By making Medicaid subsidies and targeted secondary populations like young adults and those with pre-existing conditions the liberal core of the Affordable Care act, we have once again taken what should be a universal program (Medicare for All) and made it less politically palatable by converting it into a safety net patch for the less fortunate. That in turn opens progressives up to the old liberal stereotype of someone who wants to take “normal” Americans’ money and give it to degenerate ne’er-do-wells, and also makes it easy for ideologically conservative governors to slash the most important part of the program, leaving only a few crumbs and a mandate to buy private health insurance for everyone else.

I’ve said it before: what made the New Deal so popular and effective was the fact that most of its programs benefited everyone (well, at least everyone white.) The Civil Rights Era alienated a huge number of Americans who weren’t yet prepared to see women and minorities as equally deserving human beings. For liberalism to be politically palatable for enough of the public, the benefits of liberalism cannot be seen as going overwhelmingly to people that suburban and rural whites consider to be less than fully deserving of the same empathy and basic rights that they themselves enjoy.

As the Affordable Care Act becomes increasingly associated with Medicaid, and as Republicans continue to demonize it as taking away Medicare money to give to “undeserving” people, the Affordable Care Act itself will be unpopular.

Democrats need not be shocked by Republican governors’ refusal to accept Medicaid funds, and they need not feel that the experience of the Affordable Care Act means that Americans don’t like “socialized medicine.” What Democrats need to learn from this experience is that Democrats need to avoid the welfare trap, and need to embrace the power of universal social insurance.

Universal social insurance has always been popular and will remain popular when implemented. It’s just a matter of having the courage to enact it in the first place.

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Talking the talk on Medicaid opt-out

Talking the talk on Medicaid opt-out

by digby

Douglas Holz-Eakin, who I understand used to be a sane person, has written an early rundown of Republican talking points for the Medicaid expansion refusal:

Obamacare included a provision requiring that states expand Medicaid to cover everyone up to 133 percent of the poverty line. States that refused would lose all federal funding for the state’s program. The Supreme Court ruled that this was an unconstitutional federal coercion of the states, a decision that mirrors the fiscal reality. Instead of states’ losing all Medicaid funding if they refuse to comply, the Court restricted the federal government to withholding only the federal funding for a state’s expansion. In short, the expansion is now voluntary.

The question that immediately arises is: “If this is such a good deal, why did Obamacare have to mandate it in the first place and enforce it with a draconian penalty?” Common sense suggests that if the expansion were such a good idea, then it would have been voluntary to begin with.

It goes downhill from there.

I don’t suppose one has to actually make the point that the idea of expanding health care in America, even when it costs the states next to nothing, does not have a consensus. After all, we have a fair number of people who either believe that health care is paid for by the medicine fairy or that people who can’t afford the overwhelming costs should just die:

Blitzer: You’re a physician, Ron Paul, you’re a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question. A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides I’m not going to spend $200 or $300 a month because I’m healthy, I don’t need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it. Who will pay if he goes into a coma, who pays for that?

Paul: In a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.

Blitzer: What do you want?

Paul: What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy.

Blitzer: He doesn’t have that and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?

Paul: That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody —

Audience: [applause]

Blitzer: but congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

Audience:[shouts of “yeah!”]

Those are the people who are driving the political train in the red states right now.

The Democratic response to this seems to be that the hospitals will force the states to take the money because they need it. The only problem with this is that hospitals have been getting gouged for decades and haven’t been successful at getting more money for Medicaid. In fact, the pie has been steadily shrinking.

Which brings us to another of Holz-Eakins points:

Advocates of the law point out that the federal government initially picks up 100 percent of the cost, and commits to 90 percent of the cost at the end of ten years. For a state, that is attractive but far from a guarantee, so it has to figure into the calculation the probability that a cash-strapped federal government will choose in the future to shift costs to the states.

I would be sympathetic to this argument — indeed, I think it is a very real threat to the future health of the program — except for the fact that it will be these very same people cutting the funding (yes, with the help of Democratic useful idiots.) So, you know, it is a problem. But then that was always going to be a problem when they decided to continue to have a taxpayer funded program for the poor rather than taxpayer funded program for everyone.

He goes on to say that if states opt out the Medicaid population will be eligible for the subsidies, but that’s not true. Jared Bernstein explains:

[T]hose between 100-133% of poverty–who would have been covered under the Medicaid expansion–will now be eligible for the federal subsidies to buy insurance from the state exchanges, coverage which Paul VdW says “may be more costly than Medicaid.”

The problem for Doug, Sen. Coburn and other who are making this case is that there are about four times more people potentially eligible for Medicaid below 100% than between 100 and 133%. As the figure below—from some very timely Urban Institute research—reveals, there are 22.3 million uninsured poor and near-poor people who would be eligible for coverage under the Medicaid expansion. But about 80% of them—17.8 million—are below 100% of poverty and therefore not eligible for subsidies.

All the people in the left category are going to be out of luck.

And, once more, Holz-Eakin makes the diabolical argument that the overall costs will now bust the budget because that smaller number will get the more expensive subsidies. The only reason that would happen, of course, is that the Republican Governors refuse the Medicaid money and therefore put them into the subsidy pool!

And then there’s the usual nonsense:

A superior option would be the flexibility to address the needs of the sub-poverty populations on a state-by-state basis in ways consistent with each state’s norms.

Right. And if a state’s “norms” is to let people die it would be wrong to interfere. People are different! We shouldn’t inflict our values on them. Letting some Americans languish in poverty and illness and die early preventable deaths while others are allowed to have health care and security — all on the basis of some arbitrary lines drawn up long ago — is a perfectly respectable moral position. No biggie.

I can’t tell the future. It’s certainly possible that the hospitals will turn the screws on the Governors and force them to take the money. (You have to wonder why they haven’t exercised this clout before as the current system has been draining them for several decades, but …) This is one case where I hope the corporate powers that be are (accidentally) on the side of the angels. But if I had to guess, the politics of our time are such that it’s perfectly realistic to imagine that a whole bunch of states will opt-out and that Democrats will stand there, shocked and paralyzed, when it turns out that they actually believe the bullshit they spew. Again.

Update: Dday makes the important point that this is not about logic:

I don’t know why, given shared history, anyone would believe that logic will rule the day, and red state governors will go against their entire ideological worldview and spend taxpayer dollars – however small – to cover poor people, in many states largely people of color. And if you rely on this numbers game, if you never make a moral argument for WHY poor people shouldn’t have to choose between food or medical care, you have a whole bunch more problems than just this Medicaid expansion.

That’s right. This is the moral center of the ACA. The case must be made for these people. If it isn’t and everybody keeps being smug and indifferent to the fact that millions of poor people are going to get nothing in this deal — and especially if we are all exhorted to keep clapping because of the technocratic genius of the subsidies and the exchanges — I think we’ll know once and for all that the moral case was never the point.

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WWJT: Who would Jesus taser?

Who would Jesus taser?

by digby

I’m sure there was absolutely no other way to deal with this:

The religious ruckus happened at Victory Church at 1515 N. Kelly Ave in Edmond.

A woman was apparently playing a tambourine too loudly during Wednesday night services.

When she refused to stop, the woman was escorted out by an off duty Oklahoma County Sheriff’s Deputy.

Myers said, “He had to physically escort her outside the church. Once outside, she broke free from the deputy and tried to go back inside, there became a physical confrontation.”

According to the arrest report, the deputy was forced to pepper spray and tase the unruly woman.

Myers said, “She was not filled with the Holy spirit. She was not being very Christianly and this is why the folks decided to get her out as soon as possible.”

It’s a good thing that deputy had a taser because it was either that or shoot her.

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In this day and age, why would anyone assume that Republicans would act rationally?

Why would anyone assume that Republicans will act rationally?
by digby

Via Think Progress:

Not a single Republican governor has pledged to accept the new Medicaid funds and three Democrats are also considering turning down the money. In total, these states would give up $291.4 billion in federal funds and leave 10,297,221 Americans uninsured.

Keep in mind that the federal government is picking up the entire tab in the beginning and will only require states to pick up a nominal amount after that. And since the whole point is to “bend the cost curve”, states will end up paying less than they are today. And since I don’t believe these people are completely ignorant of that, the only explanation is ideology. They do not want to implement a new “entitlement” for the working poor — people they believe are undeserving. And we know who they think those people are.

As Emptywheel points out:

The GOP frame for the Medicaid argument will not focus at all on insuring the uninsured. It will not breathe a word of how insured people subsidize uninsured people who use emergency rooms for care. Rather, it will extend and enlarge on this argument about a black President giving free stuff to black people (or Latinos in states like Texas). And I believe that will remain true even if Obama loses in November.

How could radical Republican governors not love engaging in that fight? It’s a damn good way to keep working class whites in the GOP party. It’s a damn good way to keep the base enthused. It’s a damn good way to distract from larger economic failures. It’s the same logic, of course, that has already led some of these firebreathers to embrace “Papers Please” laws that lose their states a lot of money.

Moreover, these same governors are already hard at work shrinking the number of people of color who will be able to cast their legal votes. Thus, the idea that these governors will have to respond non-Republican votes is weak, given that this fight will be accompanied by an effort to limit the number of non-Republican voters who can vote at all.

Finally, while I don’t think the TeaParty arose primarily out of racist resentment, I do think it has fed on it in the last three years. Given that fact, the likelihood its fight against Medicaid would get racist and ugly quickly is quite high.

Of course it will. That’s the underlying reason for many Americans’ obsessive hatred for the welfare state.

I really hope that the Democrats wake up to the fact that real human beings are going to suffer because of this and launch a counter-attack instead of smugly assuming that the states will come around in the long run so no need to do anything. In the long run a bunch of people will be dead who didn’t have to be.

I realize that the shiny exchanges are the technocratic centerpiece of the bill and the only thing that many wonks care about, but the Medicaid expansion is the liberal heart of this thing. So it’s a little bit hard to understand why all these Democrats are acting as if it’s a given that these governors will (eventually) sign on and in the meantime: shut up and clap louder. (Oh hell, I guess I just answered my own question, didn’t I?)

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Words to remember — by tristero

Words To Remember

by tristero

From the NY Times:

By Saturday, John Yoo, a former Bush administration lawyer, was suggesting in The Wall Street Journal that there had been a catastrophic vetting failure in 2005 when the administration was considering Chief Justice Roberts’s nomination.

“If a Republican is elected president,” said Professor Yoo, who teaches law at the University of California, Berkeley, “he will have to be more careful than the last.”

Let’s remember that the next time some Republican con artist starts piously bleating about how Obama should make “ideologically neutral” judicial appointments.

Incidentally, Yoo, as always, is a criminally incompetent thinker. Again, from Adam Liptak’s Times article:

“The right is declaring defeat in the short term, and the left is declaring defeat in the long term,” said Pamela S. Karlan, a law professor at Stanford. She said parts of Chief Justice Roberts’s opinion in the health care case had laid the groundwork for legal doctrines that could roll back liberal programs.

Exactly, through his ruling, Roberts handed the far right gift-wrapped dynamite with which to demolish the New Deal. And he knows it, even if his less cunning or intelligent pals don’t realize it yet.

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Another GOP Governor rejects Medicaid expansion (Maybe they’ll help a few who agree to “help themselves”)

Another GOP Governor rejects Medicaid expansion

by digby

I honestly don’t know how we can survive as a country with leadership this absurd:

“We’re opposed to it and we’re not going to have any part of it,” Branstad said. “But we’re taking our own approach. We want to put our own effort together to be the healthiest state, and we’re willing to help people who are willing to help themselves. But we’re certainly not going to buy into this federal effort. We’re going to fight it in every way we can.”

“We don’t believe the federal government when they say they’re going to pay the whole cost of this for the next three years,” Branstad added, “because the federal government is dead broke.”

Really? Well, I guess he’s assuming a Romney win, in which case the feds probably will repeal the plan or he’s talking to his own pals in the Party who are promising to squeeze it the first chance they get. Either way, the federal government is not dead broke — it can’t be dead broke — but the Republicans (and some very stupid Democrats) are acting like it is. Maybe he could have a word with them about it on the QT.

I’d be plenty worried about what they mean by “helping people to help themselves.” I’m guessing if you’re a member of the working poor and you “help yourself” by giving up every single thing that makes your life livable, the freedom loving wingnuts might grant you a measly voucher to buy some vitamins. But they’ll own you — drug tests will probably be the least of it.

These are many people, remember, who think like this:

I don’t believe people are going to bed hungry. Do you know how much, do you ever go shopping? I go sometimes but I hate it. Do you ever go? … you can get, for instance I have friends of mine who eat rice and beans all the time. Beans protein, rice. Inexpensive. You can make a big pot of this for a week for negligible amounts of money and you can feed your whole family.

Look, you should have vegetables and fruit in there as well, but if you need to survive you can survive off it. It’s not ideal but you could get some cheap meat and throw in there as well for protein. There are ways to live really, really cheaply.

That was multi-millionaire celebrity Sean Hannity. (And let’s not forget the perennial “they have refrigerators and TVs! They don’t deserve any help until they are living in a cardboard box — and even then…”)

The problem with Medicaid is that it’s going to poor people and Republicans just don’t have any sympathy for them. Sure, it makes no sense to have your own government spend more money on emergency room care than on a health care plan the feds will completely pay for, but many of these people genuinely think it’s a moral hazard to allow the working poor to have any help because it makes them dependent and lazy. Just look at the hideous stuff they say about the unemployed even in an economy with nearly 10% unemployment.
It’s not just that a lot of our fellow Americans have no empathy, although they don’t. It’s that many of them are actively hostile to people they believe are taking their tax dollars and refusing to “earn” the benefits they themselves believe they have earned. These are often people who are on the dole in one way or another themselves. It’s a conceit of white privilege and it hasn’t gone away yet.

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