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The good news is that America abolished aristocracy

The good news is that America abolished aristocracy

by digby

The bad news is that we actually haven’t:

Many Americans are uncomfortable with the idea that two families could dominate the presidency that way. Whether or not you like one of the candidates, it just doesn’t feel right, in part because a second Bush-Clinton election makes a mockery of our self-identification as a democratic meritocracy.

How bad is America’s nepotism problem? Can data science help us gauge its depth? It can — and what the data shows is that something has gone haywire.

I studied the probability of male baby boomers’ reaching the same level of success as their fathers. I had to limit myself to fathers and sons because this was a highly sexist period in which women held few powerful political positions.

Let’s start with the presidency. Thirteen sons of presidents were born during America’s baby boom. One of the 13 became president himself, of course, and Jeb would make a second. Of the roughly 37 million boomer males who weren’t born to a president, two won the White House. Maybe it’s an anomaly that George W. Bush became president in 2001, but his advent means that in our era a son of a president was roughly 1.4 million times more likely to become president than his supposed peers.

The presidency is obviously a small sample. But the same calculations can be done for other political positions. Take governors.

Because it is difficult to be sure that you have counted all the sons of governors, let’s assume that governors reproduce at average rates. This would mean there were about 250 baby boomer males born to governors. Five of them became governors themselves, about one in 50. This is 6,000 times the rate of the average American. The same methodology suggests that sons of senators had an 8,500 times higher chance of becoming a senator than an average American male boomer.

Perhaps you noticed the little “problem” with this thesis about the two “dynasties”:

I studied the probability of male baby boomers’ reaching the same level of success as their fathers. I had to limit myself to fathers and sons because this was a highly sexist period in which women held few powerful political positions.

Uhm, has there been another period in which women held a lot of powerful political positions? Is there any data at all that suggests that the presidency is nepotistic in the same way for women and men? Since there has never been a woman president of any kind, I’m going to say no. In fact, there is no obvious path to power for women because … there just aren’t very many women in power. There have been none at the level of president.

Moreover, Bill Clinton came from the lower middle class in Arkansas and Hillary Clinton was born into a nice upper middle class family in Illinois. Neither of them were legacy students to fancy prep schools or the Ivy League colleges they attended. She was valedictorian of her class and graduated at the very top. He was a Rhodes scholar. They had no family connections — they both made it on their own. Bill ran for office as a young man and succeeded early not because Hillary was less qualified but because she was a woman and there just wasn’t the same opportunity. She certainly had the same ambition and qualifications from the get-go.

That she is running now is the natural consequence of being a woman of her time and being married to a politician. Now if Chelsea decides to run, you might rightfully claim she is the beneficiary of all the money, power and status her parents achieved. But Bill and Hill, flawed as they are, are a power couple who both worked their way up the political ladder together without family connections. That’s not dynasty.

Now the Bushes …

Has any modern family dominated a meritocracy the way that the Bushes dominate politics? I could not find one. The Mannings, in football, probably come closest. But while Archie Manning, the father of two Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks, Peyton and Eli, was a solid N.F.L. player, he was hardly the football equivalent of a president.

Internationally, the greatest father-son, merit-based, same-field accomplishment is probably Niels Bohr’s son Aage matching his father’s Nobel Prize in Physics. But neither the Bohrs nor the Mannings dominated physics or football the way the Bush family dominates American politics.

Regression to the mean limits family dominance in any meritocratic field. If you have a well-above-average dose of a trait, you can expect your child to be closer to average.

Regression to the mean is so powerful that once-in-a-generation talent basically never sires once-in-a-generation talent. It explains why Michael Jordan’s sons were middling college basketball players and Jakob Dylan wrote two good songs. It is why there are no American parent-child pairs among Hall of Fame players in any major professional sports league.

The Bush family’s dominance would be the basketball equivalent of Michael Jordan being the father of LeBron James and Kevin Durant — and of Michael Jordan’s father being Walt Frazier.

In other words, it is virtually impossible, statistically speaking, that Bushes are consistently the most talented people to lead our country.

No kidding. And if you look at their family tree it goes way, way, way back. Even Barbara Bush was born Barbara Pierce. As in President Franklin Pierce. Now that’s real blue blooded aristocracy…

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Headline ‘O the Day

Headline ‘O the Day

by digby

Can you see what’s wrong with that picture? I knew that you could …

Richard Shelby: 

In February 2009, the Cullman Times, an Alabama newspaper, reported that at a town hall meeting there, U.S. Senator from Alabama Richard Shelby was asked if there was any truth to the rumors that Obama was not a natural-born citizen. According to the Times report, Shelby said, “Well his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven’t seen any birth certificate. You have to be born in America to be president.”[119] A Shelby spokesperson denied the story, but the newspaper stood by it.[120]

Roy Blunt:
On July 28, 2009, Mike Stark approached Missouri Congressman Roy Blunt asking him about the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen. Blunt responded: “What I don’t know is why the President can’t produce a birth certificate. I don’t know anybody else that can’t produce one. And I think that’s a legitimate question. No health records, no birth certificate.”[121] Blunt’s spokesperson later claimed that the quote was taken out of context.[122]

Jean Schmidt
After giving a speech at the Voice of America Freedom Rally in West Chester, Ohio on September 5, 2009, Republican congresswoman Jean Schmidt replied to a woman who commented that Obama was ineligible for the Presidency, “I agree with you. But the courts don’t.”[123] Schmidt’s office subsequently responded that a video clip of this comment was “taken out of context”, and reiterated that her stated position is that Obama is a citizen.[124] She had earlier voted to certify the Electoral College vote affirming his presidency, and had said she believes Obama is a U.S. citizen.[125] The statement was issued in response to a July 28, 2009, YouTube video in which Schmidt was seen running away from Mike Stark when he asked whether or not she had any questions about President Obama’s citizenship status.[126]

Nathan Deal:
In November 2009, then-Representative Nathan Deal replied to a question about whether he believed that Obama “is a native-born American citizen who is eligible to serve as president” with a statement that “I am joining several of my colleagues in the House in writing a letter to the President asking that he release a copy of his birth certificate so we can have an answer to this question.”[127] Contrasting the differing fates of Deal, who won the 2010 gubernatorial election in Georgia, and former Democratic Representative Cynthia McKinney, who lost her primary after endorsing 9/11 conspiracy theories, David Weigel of Slate noted: “Dipping a toe into the birtherism fever swamp didn’t stop Deal from winning a statewide primary.”[128]

Sarah Palin:
During a December 3, 2009 interview on Rusty Humphries’ radio talk show, Humphries asked Sarah Palin if she would make Barack Obama’s birth certificate a campaign issue in 2012, should she decide to run. Palin responded, “I think the public rightfully is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue, because I think that members of the electorate still want answers.” Humphries followed up, asking whether she thinks Obama’s birth certificate is a fair question to be looking at. Palin answered, “I think it’s a fair question, just like I think past association and past voting records – all of that is fair game. The McCain–Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area.”[129]

After news organizations and blogs picked up the quotation,[130] Palin issued a statement on her Facebook page in which she clarified that she meant to say that voters have the right to ask questions, and she herself has never asked Obama to produce a birth certificate. She then went on to compare questioning of Obama’s birth certificate to questions that were raised during the 2008 presidential elections about her maternity to her son, Trig.[131] This analogy was criticized by Mark Milian of the Los Angeles Times, who commented that “It’s not like Barack Obama hosted a radio show and called her a baby faker.”[132] In addition, Andrew Sullivan, an established skeptic of Palin’s relationship with Trig, wrote in response to her comments: “Palin has never produced Trig’s birth certificate or a single piece of objective medical evidence that proves he is indeed her biological son.”[133]

David Vitter:
At a townhall meeting in Metairie, Louisiana on July 11, 2010, Senator David Vitter responded to a question about Barack Obama’s birth certificate saying “I personally don’t have standing to bring litigation in court, but I support conservative legal organizations and others who would bring that to court. I think that is the valid and most possibly effective grounds to do it.” His campaign did not provide any additional comments on the matter.[137][138]

Newt Gingrich:
On September 11, 2010, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich stated that Obama could only be understood by people who “understand Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior”.[139] While Gingrich did not define what constitutes “Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior”, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs accused Gingrich of “trying to appeal to the fringe of people who don’t believe the president was born in this country”. Gibbs went on to say, “You would normally expect better of somebody who held the position of Speaker of the House, but look, it is political season, and most people will say anything, and Newt Gingrich does that on a, genuinely, on a regular basis.”[140]

Andy Martin:
In December 2010, Andy Martin (plaintiff in Martin v. Lingle and self-crowned as “King of the Birthers”) announced his candidacy to seek the 2012 Republican nomination for the President of the United States.[141] In February 2011, Martin’s planned appearance at a Republican meeting in Deering, New Hampshire, was cancelled after his anti-Semitic past was discovered.[142]

Mike Huckabee:
On February 28, 2011, on Steve Malzberg’s radio program Mike Huckabee, a 2008 candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, falsely claimed that Obama had been raised in Kenya[143] and that “[Obama] probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.”[143] Huckabee, speaking on The O’Reilly Factor, said that he misspoke and intended to say Indonesia, characterizing his own comment as a “verbal gaffe”.[144]

Michele Bachmann:
In March 2011, Representative Michele Bachmann told conservative radio host Jeff Katz on his program, “I’ll tell you one thing, if I was ever to run for president of the United States, I think the first thing I would do in the first debate is offer my birth certificate, so we can get that off the table.” Previously on Good Morning America, when asked about President Obama’s origins, she replied, “Well, that isn’t for me to state. That’s for the president to state.”[145]

Joe Arpaio:
Volunteer investigators working under the direction of Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio have asserted that Obama’s birth certificate is a computer-generated forgery. Rejecting this claim, an assistant to Hawaii’s attorney general stated in July 2012 that “President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid…. Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed and misconstrue Hawaii law.”[146] Arizona state officials, including Governor Jan Brewer and Secretary of State Ken Bennett, have also dismissed Arpaio’s objections and accepted the validity of Obama’s birth certificate.[147][148] Alex Pareene, a staff writer for Salon, wrote regarding a May 2012 trip to Hawaii by Arpaio’s people that “I think we have long since passed the point at which I’d find this story believable in a fictional setting”.[149]

Mike Coffman:
On May 12, 2012, Mike Coffman, a congressman running for re-election in the Sixth Congressional District of Colorado, addressed a Republican fund-raising event in Elbert County. Coffman stated that he did not know where President Barack Obama was born. Coffman went on to say of Obama that “in his heart, he’s not an American. He’s just not an American.” Coffman issued an apology on May 16, saying that he had misspoken and that he had confidence in President Obama’s citizenship and legitimacy as president.[150] In a May 23 Denver Post op-ed piece, Coffman described his comment as “inappropriate and boneheaded.”[151]

Rahm is an asshole Part MMMCCXXVI

Rahm is an asshole Part MMMCCXXVI

by digby

From one of his like-minded advisors:

“Unless they get the crazy lefty money machine going nationally, it’s not going to matter that there’s a resurgent left,” said an adviser to Mr. Emanuel who did not want to speak publicly about strategy. “The liberals at Heartland Cafe in Rogers Park can think great thoughts and read poetry for Chuy, but nothing else will happen.”

If you’re a crazy lefty and would like to tell Rahm to suck on this, here’s where you can do it.

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Obama rocks Cleveland by @BloggersRUs

Obama rocks Cleveland
by Tom Sullivan

We know Cleveland rocks. But on Wednesday, President Obama visited Cleveland to rock back.

For an infuriatingly long time, he’s been loathe to toot his own horn and play offense when that’s just what fellow Democrats needed him to do in 2010 and 2014. Where’ve you been Barack? [news quote extended, bolded]:

“It was one thing for them to argue against Obamacare before it was put in place,” Obama, using the nickname for his signature Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, said during an afternoon address to the City Club of Cleveland.

“Every prediction they made about it turned out to be wrong. It’s working better than even I expected. But it doesn’t matter. Evidence be damned. It’s still a disaster. Well, why?”

“The truth is, the budget they’re putting forward and the theories they’re putting forward are a path to prosperity for those who have already prospered.”

Good line. Obama ticked off a number of things his opponents got wrong. Got in Republicans’ faces about it even. And with a smile on his. That probably ticked off them too. It’s the sort of thing Democrats are way to reluctant to do. As Drew Westen says (okay, I’m paraphrasing), if the message isn’t pissing off your opponents, you’re not doing it right. They’ll be on the Sunday bobblehead shows any minute to wag their fingers and wring their hands over the president’s “angry” words and inappropriate swagger.

It’s not as if there isn’t a wealth of material to work from. Perhaps the only sour note in Cleveland was Obama’s continued support for the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership trade pact opposed by critics in his own party. We’ll leave that for another time.

Anyway, I sourced some of the president’s Cleveland material, maybe improved on it, and added a few peeves of my own. It’s the sort of thing I open carry on my smart phone for those “close encounters.”

Republicans said Barack Obama’s policies would produce “trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see.”
(Speaker John Boehner 04-18-09; NH Sen. Judd Gregg 03-17-10)

People believed them.

Instead, while the national debt did increase as it has every year since the Clinton budget surpluses, budget deficits shrank from $1.4 trillion when Obama took office to $483 billion in 2014.
(Washington Post 10-15-14)

Republicans said Obama’s “socialist policies” would increase the size “of our already bloated government,” lead us towards “national socialism,” and “the country’s economy is going to collapse.”
(NC Rep. Robert Pittenger 01-21-15; Kansas Sen. Pat Robert 09-24-14; Rush Limbaugh 09-10-12)

People believed them.

Instead, federal government employment has shrunk since January 2009, “corporate profits have nearly tripled” and the stock market doubled in six years.
(BLS 03-21-15; New Republic 08-04-14; FactCheck.org 01-09-15; Google Finance)

Republicans said if Barack Obama was reelected, “gas prices will be up at around $6.60 per gallon.”
(Utah Sen. Mike Lee 03-07-12)

People believed them.

Gas prices dropped below $2 per gallon in early 2015.
(Time 01-21-15)

Republicans said Obama’s policies would destroy “nearly 6 million jobs over the next decade” and lead to “diminishment of employment in America.”
(John McCain campaign 10-31-08; Texas Rep. Pete Sessions 11-07-09)

People believed them.

Instead, 12 million new jobs created, more under 6 years of Obama than under 12 years of two Bushes, “the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history [that] outperformed President Reagan’s in all commonly watched categories” according to Forbes.
(ElectaBlog 10-03-14; Forbes 09-05-14)

Meanwhile, “small-government, pro-business” George W. Bush presided over “the biggest federal budget expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt” and saw only 1.3 million net jobs created in 8 years (7 million net for Obama in 6 years). The Wall Street Journal called Bush’s “the worst track record on record.”
(Washington Times 10-19-08; ElectaBlog 10-03-14; Wall Street Journal 01-09-09)

Finally, for those with short memories:

Republicans said we had to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. We even knew where they were. We’d be out in six months, it would cost at most $60 billion, “We do not torture,” etc.

People believed them.

How much longer will people believe these guys?

Saturday Night at the Movies by Dennis Hartley — 9 to 5 at 45 RPM: “The Wrecking Crew:

Saturday Night at the Movies


9 to 5 at 45 RPM: The Wrecking Crew

by Dennis Hartley


Full disclosure: I originally saw The Wrecking Crew (the 2015 music documentary, not to be confused with the 1969 “Matt Helm” caper starring Dean Martin and Sharon Tate) four chords and seven years ago, when it played at the 2008 Seattle International Film Festival. I have no idea why it took so long for this wonderful film to find distribution, but it is finally getting a proper (if limited) release in select markets and on PPV. “The Wrecking Crew” was a moniker given to an aggregation of crack L.A. session players who in essence created the distinctive pop “sound” that defined classic Top 40 from the late 50s through the mid-70s. With several notable exceptions (Glen Campbell, Leon Russell and Mac “Dr. John” Rebennack) their names remain obscure to the general public, even if the music they helped forge is forever burned into our collective neurons.



The film was a labor of love in every sense of the word for first-time director Denny Tedesco, whose late father was the  guitarist extraordinaire Tommy Tedesco, a premier member of the team. Tedesco traces origins of the Wrecking Crew, from participation in co-creating the legendary “Wall of Sound” of the early 60s (lorded over by mercurial pop savant Phil Spector) to collaborations with Brian Wilson (most notably, on the Beach Boys’ seminal Pet Sounds album) and backing sessions with just about any other popular artist of the era you could throw out there (Sam Cooke, Ray Charles, The Righteous Brothers, Henry Mancini, Ike & Tina Turner, The Monkees, The Association, Nancy Sinatra, The Fifth Dimension, The Byrds, Sonny & Cher, Petula Clark, The Mamas and the Papas, Frank Zappa, etc.). Not to mention myriad TV themes and movie soundtracks.



Tedesco has curated some fascinating vintage studio footage, as well as archival and present day interviews with key players. You also hear from some of the producers (Herb Alpert, Lou Adler and Jack Nitzsche) who utilized their talents. Tedesco assembled a group of surviving members to swap anecdotes (and as you can imagine, they have got some great stories to tell). One of my favorite reminiscences concerned the earliest recording sessions for The Monkees. An apparently uninformed Peter Tork showed up in the studio, guitar in hand-and was greeted by a roomful of bemused session players, giving him a “WTF are YOU doing here?!” look before he slunk away in embarrassment.



One of the revelations in the film is bass player/guitarist Carol Kaye, a quietly unassuming pioneer who commanded a lot of respect in a traditionally male-dominated niche of the music industry. In a great scene, she modestly demonstrates a few signature bass lines that you may have heard, oh, once or twice; the opening riffs for “The Beat Goes On”, “California Girls”, the “Mission Impossible Theme”, even that subtle 5 note run that opens Glen Campbell’s “Wichita Lineman”  proves to be distinctively all hers.



The documentary’s scene-stealer is Hal Blaine, who may be the most recorded drummer in the history of pop music. Blaine was in attendance at the SIFF screening I caught in 2008, and did a Q & A along with the director after the film. I remember him telling the audience that he was then in the midst of compiling his discography (with assistance from several researchers); he said so far they had been able to annotate “only” about 5,000 sessions (some estimates top the 10,000 mark). Blaine tells colorful and hilarious stories; he reminds me of another droll musician-raconteur…Pete Barbuti (who never failed to put me on the floor in his many appearances on The Tonight Show throughout the 1970s).



Tedesco’s film makes a nice companion to the 2003 doc Standing in the Shadows of Motown, which profiled another group of hitherto unheralded session players (aka the “Funk Brothers”) who backed nearly every Motown hit. I know that some people look down their nose at this “lunch pail” approach to creating music, but there is no denying the chops that these players bring to the table, and I say more power to ‘em, myself. Tedesco’s film is a joyous celebration of a unique era of popular art that (love it or loathe it), literally provided the “soundtrack of our lives” for some of us of a (ahem) certain age.  



OK, since I brought him up…I have to share my favorite Pete Barbuti Tonight Show bit:



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A lament from the right

A lament from the right

by digby

Poor Eric Erickson:

I was an elected Republican official. Before that I was a Republican political consultant and campaign manager. I have been a lawyer for a number of Republican candidates.

Today, I see Rep. John Boehner (R-OH)N/A collaborating with Democrats to line up votes to expand government.

I see Republicans in Congress waffling on Obamacare and thinking of fixing it. I see Republican Governors slowly folding over expanding medicaid and state exchanges.

I see John Kasich tell me Jesus wants him to expand government in Ohio.

I see 300 Republicans beg the Supreme Court to impose gay marriage on the nation by unilateral fiat because they’re inconvenienced by it as a political issue and want to move on.

In Georgia, I see the State GOP raising taxes and refusing to pass religious liberty legislation. I see a party in the pocket of millionaires giving the middle finger to the middle class. And I see a bunch of politicians prostituting themselves to billionaires and trying to repackage their policies as “conservative” when they are not.

What the hell does the GOP stand for anymore other than “we’re not Obama”? No kidding. He’s more competent.

The GOP, at this point, stands for nothing and the highest bidder at the same time.

It is my hope that, at the RedState Gathering this year and on the campaign trail, the GOP Candidates will start painting the picture of what the GOP should stand for. I am frankly tired of the candidates throwing chum in the water. We already know Obama sucks.

So tell us what the country will look like after four years of you. Tell us what the Republican Party will stand for. What fights are worth fighting even if you might lose? What hill is worth dying on?

Right now, the GOP sees no hill worth dying on unless Sheldon Adelson or someone cuts them a check first. They see no cause worth fighting for unless they’ve mapped out their surrender strategy first.

Frankly, I’m just tired of a party with a bunch of prostitutes in charge who’ll spread eagle for the highest bidder and run at the first hint of trouble.

Whenever you see a member of the intelligentsia insist that Republicans have reached the limit of their excesses and will soon recognise that they must “moderate” send them this article. This is what conservative “populism” looks like.  Plus warmongering.

I do love the idea that they’re pretending to blame billionaires for the fact that Republican officials are unable to unilaterally turn the nation into a right wing theocracy.  It’s a sweet scam, that’s for sure.

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Sharron Angle believes voter fraud robbed her of a Senate seat

Sharron Angle believes voter fraud robbed her of a Senate seat

by digby

Nevada Republicans are very concerned about voter fraud.  So they held yet another hearing to hash out the issue.  This story outlines what the writersterms the ensuing “fiesta of crazy” but I thought I’d just highlight just a little bit of his report:

Former Assemblywoman Sharron Angle, who has made a cottage industry out of implying her 2010 loss to Harry Reid in the U.S. Senate race was due to fraud, testified that between 3 percent and 9 percent of votes cast nationally were fraudulent, and that Nevada’s numbers were higher!

Evidence? Proof? Examples? Assemblyman Elliot Anderson wanted to know, risibly referring to Angle as an “expert” in the area.

“I do not have any examples that I know of,” Angle replied.

The same thing happened when Assemblyman Tyrone Thompson, D-North Las Vegas, asked Dickman for evidence. “Don’t you want to head off the fraud? I do,” Dickman replied, by way of non-answer. But despite the lack of readily available evidence, proponents of the bill stubbornly stuck to their belief that fraud is occurring. Assemblyman John Moore assumed facts not in evidence even more, asking a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada if she was “OK” with people who are not U.S. citizens selecting elected representatives.

Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, R-Las Vegas, apparently didn’t like the fact that some committee members and witnesses claimed that minorities would be disproportionately harmed by a voter ID law. “We’re in 2015 and we have a black president, in case anyone didn’t notice,” she said. And there were apparently audible gasps in one of the hearing rooms after Fiore referred to colleague Harvey Munford, D-Las Vegas, who is black, as the first “colored man to graduate from his college.”

Fiore, you may recall was a big media presence in the Bundy stand-off.

No word on whether she had any barbequed “casualty” at the picnic later that day …

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And even more fools are heard from

And even more fools are heard from

by digby

This is just … well, it’s actually quite sad:

Last spring, Senate Minority Leader Joe Benning got a letter from an eighth-grader at The Riverside School in Lyndonville. She was studying Latin, and wanted Senator Joe to introduce a bill to give Vermont a Latin motto. We’ve got “Freedom and Unity,” but no Latin.

As the idea developed, those involved came up with a motto: Stella quarta decima fulgeat. The translation: “May the Fourteenth Star Shine Bright,” is a nod to Vermont’s status as the fourteenth state to join the union. Nice. Poetic in both languages. Benning brought the student to Montpelier and introduced her to the Government Operations Committee, which would consider her proposal.
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Funny thing. Last week, WCAX did a story about Benning’s bill. And the reaction, as Benning told me in an email?

I anticipated suffering the backroom internal joking from my colleagues in the legislature. What I did not anticipate was the vitriolic verbal assault from those who don’t know the difference between the Classics and illegal immigrants from South America.

That’s right, the WCAX Facebook page was inundated with angry posts from ignorant Vermonters spewing their hatred in barely readable fractured English. (Spelling and punctuation as-is) Warning: Teh stoopid, it burns!

Dorothy Lynn Lepisto: “I thought Vermont was American not Latin? Does any Latin places have American mottos?”

Norman Flanders: “What next Arab motto??”

Kevin P. Hahn: “How about ‘go back south of the boarder’”

Richard Mason: “We are AMERICANS, not latins, why not come up with a Vermont motto that is actually from us”

Judy Lamoureux: “Throw him out of the country tell him to take obama with him!”

Phil Salzano: “My question is, are we Latin, or are we Vermonters? Alright then, English it is…..”

Lori Olds: “I thought this was USA why are they trying to make Americans aliens”

Chris Ferro: “That’s a BIG NO, if you live in the United State YOU need to learn ENGLISH!!”

Julie Kellner: “No, you a USA citizen!.. Learn & understand the language!!!.”

Kurtis Jones: “No cause vt ain’t no Latino area. Leave the motto alone”

Zeb Swierczynski: “ABSOLUTLY NOT!!!! sick and tired of that crap, they have their own countries”

Ken Curtis: “Just when I felt our represenatives could not possibly get any dumber , they come up with this…get real… this is the USA, not some Moslim or Mexican country…stop given in to these people…PRESS 1 for English and forget the rest… worry about the problems you were elected to do”

Ronald Prouty Jr. “No way this is America not Mexico or Latin America. And they nee to learn our language, just like if we go there they want us to speak theirs”

Kristen Wright: “thats un called for this is the usa”

Kelley Dawley: “How do you say idiotic senator in spanish? I’d settle for deport illegals in spanish as a back up motto”

Heather Chase: “Seriously?? Last time I checked..real vermonters were speakin ENGLISH.. NOT LATIN..good god…”

I could go on, but that’s more than enough.

The slightly more educated of the bunch responded with complaints that the legislature was “wasting its time” by doing something that takes a couple of minutes.

But one thing to note that’s probably more common that we realize: the conflation of Muslim with Mexican. If you listen to hate radio you’d easily believe that Mexicans are Muslim terrorists. “The border crisis” is no longer just about taking Americans’ jobs or polluting our fabulous culture (although it’s still very much about that). These people are constantly being told that we are in danger from terrorism at the border. Considering these poorly educated folks don’t know latinos don’t speak latin, it shouldn’t be a surprise if they also think that Mexicans are in league with Muslim terrorists — or are Muslim themselves. They aren’t too bright.

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Loyalty test

Loyalty test

by digby

Some people like to criticize American Jews for having what they call “dual loyalty” to the US and Israel. Without wanting to get into that particular sticky wicket, I did think this was a hilarious quote from Congressman Steve King:

“Here is what I don’t understand, I don’t understand how Jews in America can be Democrats first and Jewish second and support Israel along the line of just following their President.”

You’ve got to love that. A congressional representative of a party which fetishizes the flag is saying that some citizens are being traitors by “following their president” instead of supporting the leader of a foreign country. Indeed, he’s really saying that Republicans support this foreign country over their own president. Now that’s exceptional.

This would be just another stupid comment from a right wing idiot except for this:

As a Republican from Iowa, King has met with virtually every Republican considering a 2016 presidential run, hosting the first cattle call of 2016 Republican hopefuls in Iowa in January.

They all have to kiss this fool’s ring …

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