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Month: July 2015

Good stuff on All In @chrislhayes

Good stuff on All In

by digby

Chris Hayes has been doing amazing work out here this week on California’s drought.  If you missed the earlier episodes, be sure to go to the MSNBC site and take a look when you have a chance.  He’s the only cable news host who gets out from behind the desk to go do this kind of longform investigation on his show and it’s really informative and well done. Here’s the segment he did on the political battle over water, which will likely come as a surprise to a lot of people.

He also did a very interesting piece on mass incarceration, which Salon’s Jenny Kuttner covered:

After commuting the sentences of 46 nonviolent drug offenders earlier this week, President Obama became the first sitting president in American history to visit a U.S. prison on Thursday, as part of a push for reform that might just be the one thing congressional Democrats and Republicans can agree to get done. Examining the implications of Obama’s historic visit, MSNNC host Chris Hayes tackled the political symbolism of the visit, which he believes bodes well for ending mass incarceration.

“It’s kind of hard to imagine that 20 years ago, a Democratic president pushing to shorten sentences and reduce incarceration would feel that he had the political room to do it,” Hayes explained. “But now, it seems that having the world’s largest prison population, full of racial discrepancies, is increasingly seen as a policy failure — even as a source of national shame. There seems to be surprising support from both Democrats and Republicans to do something about it.”

I have been skeptical of this coalition simply because I believe that the GOP base (and opportunistic GOP strategists) are highly unlikely to sit still for anything that smacks of human decency toward African American convicts. But Hayes made me wonder if some political cross currents might just indicate that there’s a chance. It would be pretty to think so.

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Yes, Wes Clark really said what I said he said folks

Yes, Wes Clark really said what I said he said folks

by digby

I have always liked Clark.  And he said some reasonable stuff in his interview with Thomas Roberts this morning before he said the following.

Roberts asked him what we needed to do about “self-radicalization” which seems to be the short-hand for a Muslim (as opposed to a white supremacist or a conspiracy theorist or just some nut) who reads some crazy stuff on the internet and decides to go out in a blaze of glory:

Clark: We have got to identify the people who are most likely to be radicalized. We’ve got to cut this off at the beginning.  There are always a certain number of young people who are alienated.  They don’t get a job, they lost a girlfriend, their family doesn’t feel happy here and we can watch the signs of that. And there are members of the community who can reach out to those people and bring them back in and encourage them to look at their blessings here.   

But I do think on a national policy level we need to look at what self-radicalization means because we are at war with this group of terrorists.  They do have an ideology. In World War II if someone supported Nazi Germany at the expense of the United States, we didn’t say that was freedom of speech, we put him in a camp, they were prisoners of war. 

So, if these people are radicalized and they don’t support the United States and they are disloyal to the United States, as a matter of principle fine. It’s their right and it’s our right and obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.  And I think we’re going to have to increasingly get tough on this, not only in the United States but our allied nations like Britain, Germany and France are going to have to look at their domestic law procedures.

People are arguing with me on twitter that he couldn’t have said this, but he did.  If you still don’t believe me go watch the tape yourself.

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Learning from experience

Learning from experience

by digby

Krugman’s column today discusses Clinton’s economic policy speech from earlier in the week and he makes a very valuable observation about it which should prompt thoughtful people in the media to think about how they cover her over this next year and change.  He writes:

Hillary Clinton gave her first big economic speech on Monday, and progressives were by and large gratified. For Mrs. Clinton’s core message was that the federal government can and should use its influence to push for higher wages.

Conservatives, however — at least those who could stop chanting “Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!” long enough to pay attention — seemed bemused. They believe that Ronald Reagan proved that government is the problem, not the solution. So wasn’t Mrs. Clinton just reviving defunct “paleoliberalism”? And don’t we know that government intervention in markets produces terrible side effects?

No, she wasn’t, and no, we don’t. In fact, Mrs. Clinton’s speech reflected major changes, deeply grounded in evidence, in our understanding of what determines wages. And a key implication of that new understanding is that public policy can do a lot to help workers without bringing down the wrath of the invisible hand.
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[E]mployers always face a trade-off between low-wage and higher-wage strategies — between, say, the traditional Walmart model of paying as little as possible and accepting high turnover and low morale, and the Costco model of higher pay and benefits leading to a more stable work force. And there’s every reason to believe that public policy can, in a variety of ways — including making it easier for workers to organize — encourage more firms to choose the good-wage strategy.

So there was a lot more behind Hillary’s speech than I suspect most commentators realized. And for those trying to play gotcha by pointing out that some of what she said differed from ideas that prevailed when her husband was president, well, many liberals have changed their views in response to new evidence. It’s an interesting experience; conservatives should try it some time.

Read the whole thing to understand how the thinking has changed on this over the years. It’s fascinating. But I think he’s hit upon something important in political coverage: when a politician takes a different position on policy from earlier positions (or, in her case, from her husband’s positions) the press assumes that she’s flip-flopped for political reasons. But it’s always possible that she has changed her mind based upon new evidence. If reporters spent some time probing these differences instead of doing Trey Gowdy’s wet work for him, they might learn something. It doesn’t have to be a “gotcha” situation. It’s perfectly legitimate to ask what changed someone’s mind — and letting them explain it.

It’s facile and dumb to assume that Clinton has become “more liberal” (or has gone back to being liberal) solely because she’s trying to sew up the base or whatever. She’s been in public life a long time. Maybe she’s learned something. That’s not usually considered a bad thing.

And, by the way, that should apply to Republicans too. Krugman rightly points out that they aren’t usually too influenced by actual evidence, but you never know.

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Headline ‘O the Day

Headline ‘O the Day

by digby

Ya think?

Of course they’re wrong, but it’s not their fault. They have been propagandized for decades by hate radio, Fox News and right wing publications to blame everybody but wealthy white greedheads for their problems. They have been conned, big time. It’s a little late to be worrying about how that endless flood of hate-filled rhetoric over many, many years might end up turning their party into a faction filled with paranoid jerks.  What did they think would happen?

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Telling it like it is

Telling it like it is

by digby

Well, here you go:

The comments are lovely too:

Sadly, that thinking represents a majority of the Republican Party.

If we were to compare our most recent mass murders (we have so many) and the reactions to them, ask yourself whether or not anyone was clamoring to punish Dylan Roof’s family. Or round up all the white supremacists and put them in jail. No, there was a clamoring among some Americans to pull down the confederate flag from official buildings. And it’s astonishing, when you think about it, that such a flag was even flying or that people were defending it — the same people, no doubt, who are clamoring for this family to be deported (or worse.)

I noticed that while we don’t know at this point the motives of the Chattanooga shooter, it’s crystal clear what Dylan Roof’s were — to start a race war. And yet the media is having no trouble calling Chatanooga suspected terrorism. The head of the FBI says he’s just not sure about Dylan Roof. It seems tobvious now, if it didn’t before, that the term is only applied to Muslims.

Charlie Pierce has it right — this is about America and our love affair with violence.   I had been under the impression that the right had made its peace with that as the price we pay for the freedom to be armed to the teeth at all times.  But that’s not true.  They are very philosophical about the consequence of violence when it’s perpetrated by white people, to be sure. It’s just a fact of life like summer storms and earthquakes.  But they get very, very angry when a racial or ethnic minority does it. There’s some sick white privilege for you.

Update: Salon gathered some other lovely twitter commentary. It’s depressing.

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Sanders is surging in Iowa & NH and taking the fight to Clinton, by @Gaius_Publius

Sanders is surging in Iowa & NH and taking the fight to Clinton

by Gaius Publius

This piece picks up where the piece immediately below, by Tom Sullivan, takes off. We know that Sanders is gaining in many polls, and that some are attributing his rise to a growing “anyone but Clinton” mood among Democrats. Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com disagrees.

Data first, via Silver:

In Iowa, Sanders’s favorability rating has grown from about 35 percent
at the start of the year to 60 percent now. And in New Hampshire, it has
improved from around 45 percent to 65 percent. Some of that is from
improved name recognition, but Sanders’s unfavorable ratings haven’t
increased even as he’s become better known, remaining at about 10
percent in each state.

Here’s what that looks like in a chart:

The Sanders surge is about Sanders, not Clinton. Click to enlarge.

From 35% to 60% in Iowa, from 45% to 65% in New Hampshire, both since February. These are excellent numbers. Now the cause, as Silver sees it. The article begins with the idea he wants to debunk:

“The recent rise of Bernie Sanders,” wrote
Vox’s Jonathan Allen last week, “points as much to [Hillary] Clinton’s
vulnerability as Sanders’s strength.” Allen went on to argue that Joe
Biden should run for president. “The Sanders surge shows that Democratic
activists want an alternative to Clinton,” he explained.

We’ve seen this idea before. For at least a year, journalists have been urging, sometimes almost begging, Biden to enter the race. The more elaborate versions of the idea liken the 2016 campaign to 1968,
a year in which the incumbent president, Lyndon B. Johnson, withdrew
after the liberal, anti-war candidate Eugene McCarthy finished a close
second in the New Hampshire primary. The nomination was eventually won
by Johnson’s vice president, Hubert Humphrey, after Robert F. Kennedy
(who had entered the race after New Hampshire) was assassinated. In the
2016 narrative, Clinton is Johnson, Sanders is McCarthy and Biden is
some composite of Kennedy and Humphrey.

But these comparisons suffer from a fatal flaw. Unlike LBJ, who (mostly because of the Vietnam War) had approval ratings only in the mid-50s or low 60s
among Democrats during the 1968 campaign, Hillary Clinton is beloved by
voters in her party. In national polls, her favorability ratings among
Democrats usually exceed 80 percent.

Thus:

The Bernie Sanders surge, in other words, has a lot more to do with
Bernie Sanders than with Hillary Clinton. More specifically, it has to
do with his left-populist politics. We’re going to break some news here:
It turns out that some Democrats are really liberal, and they like a
really liberal candidate like Sanders. Right now, Sanders is winning about half the support of white liberal Democrats,
but little support from other groups within the party. That works out
to around 25 or 30 percent of the vote in Iowa and New Hampshire but
more like 15 percent among Democrats nationally.

But Silver’s news for Sanders is not all good.

The Dark Side of Silver’s Silver Lining

Silver is concerned (on Sanders’ behalf) that this result — potential wins in Iowa and New Hampshire, each with a rich lode of white liberal Democrats — may be as good as it gets for him. In other words, that Sanders may win in Iowa and New Hampshire and lose everywhere else.

Here’s what that “white liberal Democrat” population looks like, state by state:

Click to enlarge.

From a different FiveThirtyEight piece (the one containing the graphic above), Silver writes this:

Sanders, who has sometimes described himself as a socialist, isn’t
likely to do so well with moderate Democrats, of course. That’s a
problem for him, since a thin majority of Democrats still identify as
moderate or conservative rather than liberal. But Sanders has a few
things working in his favor. The share of liberal Democrats is increasing
— pretty rapidly, in fact — and those Democrats who turn out to vote in
the primaries tend to be more liberal than Democrats overall.

What’s received less attention is that Sanders has so far made very little traction with non-white Democrats. The most recent CNN poll found his support at just 9 percent among non-white Democrats, while the latest Fox News poll had him at only 5 percent among African-American Democrats. (Fox News did not provide crosstabs for Hispanics or other minority groups.)

So Sanders (and Warren) seem to be creating new “liberals” — meaning the Warren kind, not the Obama kind —pretty rapidly. That’s good news. But without minority support, he’s going to have some trouble. And that’s fixable. I’ve heard from a number of sources that the Sanders camp is aware of this. More as it develops.

In the meantime…

Sanders Takes It to Clinton

This is one way to use the advantage you have — draw clear lines. Two reports, each from The Hill, around the same event, an impromptu Sanders press conference. First (my emphasis):

Sanders uses Clinton visit to draw contrast

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Tuesday tried to highlight the differences between himself and fellow presidential candidate Hillary Clinton after she spoke with Senate Democrats during a weekly party lunch.

Sanders, who, like Clinton, is seeking the 2016 Democratic nomination, spoke with reporters at a stakeout normally reserved for leadership from both parties. He used the impromptu press conference to underscore differences the two have on a wide range of issues, including trade, the war on Iraq, climate change and national security.

Pointing to his vote against the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), Sanders said that he believes the trade deal has “been disastrous for American workers. …Secretary of State Clinton I believe has a different view on that issue.”

He also cited his vote against authorizing the war against Iraq. Clinton, who was a senator at the time, has faced criticism for her vote supporting the war, and she told reporters earlier this year that she “made a mistake.”

On climate change, he touted his opposition to the Keystone pipeline adding that “I think Secretary Clinton has not been clear on her views on that issue.”

The Hill used that last remark — on Keystone and climate change — for a second piece about that press conference:

Sanders challenges Clinton on Keystone

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders challenged his rival Hillary Clinton Tuesday to take a stand against the Keystone XL oil pipeline.

Speaking with reporters in the Capitol, Sanders he took a leadership role in Democrats’ fight against the proposed Canada-to-Texas pipeline, while Clinton has been silent on the project.

“I have helped lead the opposition against the Keystone pipeline,” the Vermont senator said. “I think Secretary Clinton has not been clear on her views on that issue.”

In a later statement, Sanders added that he opposes Keystone “because of concerns about climate change.”…

Clinton’s silence on Keystone has been one of the top sticking points for environmentalists, who have mostly avoided endorsing her.

As secretary of state from 2009 to 2013, Clinton was one of the most senior Obama administration officials responsible for its review of TransCanada Corp.’s application to build the pipeline, a process that has stretched on for more than six years.

In 2010, she said the administration was “inclined” to approve the project. But she has been silent since then.

Sanders, meanwhile, has been actively courting environmentalists, and was ranked by the super PAC Climate Hawks Vote as the best senator on climate in the 2013-2014 session of Congress.

Climate Hawks Vote ranks members of Congress relative to climates issues (visit the page to find out how your senator ranks). More information here.

Bottom Line — There’s Plenty of Time

If the Sanders surge lasts through February, when the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary are held, he’s viable through the start of next year at least. That’s a full six months to present the Sanders case to the rest of the Democratic base. So far, so good, though I would think it would be good to start making that case soon.

(A version of this piece appeared at Down With Tyranny. GP article archive here.)

GP

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Catching up is hard to do by @BloggersRUs

Catching up is hard to do
by Tom Sullivan

One reason Donald Trump gets the attention he does is that he’s Donald Trump. He is already a household name. Becoming one as a presidential candidate takes a lot of money, shoe leather, and time. Bernie Sanders will need all three. The Washington Post explains:

A new Washington Post-ABC News national poll offers a fresh look at Clinton’s and Sanders’s standing among Democrats. The survey finds Clinton is overwhelmingly popular across the Democratic Party, but Sanders is a far-less-familiar pol and is weak among a handful of key voting blocs.

Overall, 82 percent of Democrats have a favorable view of Clinton, while 15 percent are unfavorable (a scant 3 percent have no opinion). Sanders’s favorable rating is 36 percent among Democrats, with even more offering no opinion of him. Nearly a quarter — 23 percent — give Sanders negative marks. That’s notable because, despite being better-known than Clinton, his negatives are eight percentage points higher than Clinton.

I assume the Post meant that to say “less-known than Clinton.”

While strong among liberal Democrats, Sanders is still weak with moderate and conservative Democrats, those without college degrees, and non-whites. A high percentage of those groups have no opinion of Sanders, while Hillary Clinton’s favorables are high, unfavorables are low, and virtually no Democrats have no opinion of her. She’s a household name.

That’s a tough, but not insurmountable hill to climb for a Clinton challenger like Sanders. Some little-known guy named Obama has some experience with that.

They don’t play

They don’t play

by digby

This story of police bursting into a woman’s home and manhandling her naked for no good reason is the sort of incident which inevitably evokes the response that the citizen was asking for it by disrespecting the police.

She was summoned out of the shower by her daughter, threw a towel around herself and then left the officers at the door to get her cell phone to record the interaction. This apparently inflamed the officers, who entered the house and manhandled her resulting in her losing the towel and winding up handcuffed naked on the floor as the officer told her to look him in the eye as he lectured her for 20 minutes:

“Don’t take the attitude with cops, because we don’t play,” he says as she sobs. “When a cop shows up, you’re not the one in charge. I don’t care if this is your house. You understand me?”

The officer’s partner did not intervene at the time but he did report the incident to his superiors after the fact leading to the partner’s decision to retire from the force.

I guess I just don’t understand how we can believe we live in a free country when the rule is that you must submit to any police officer’s orders, regardless of what it is, because you can file a complaint after the fact. Liberty.

The problem here is obviously not that this citizen had the wrong attitude. It’s that the police officer had the wrong attitude. And yet most people just shrug their shoulders and say the citizen was the one looking for trouble by disrespecting the police. That may be true in practical terms — you probably shouldn’t mouth off to an armed gang member either. But for some reason people persist in thinking that you shouldn’t have to act toward a cop the same way you would act toward a dangerous criminal. Don’t kid yourself — you do. Freedom.

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It’s their right to do it

It’s their right to do it

by digby

…and it’s our right to call them assholes for it:

That was what greeted the president in Oklahoma yesterday. But then that flag has always been nothing more than a tool for insulting African Americans so it’s not surprising that Obama haters would do this.

And in case you were wondering, Oklahoma didn’t exist during the civil war as a state. But there were people there, mostly Native Americans. And its participation in that war is extremely complicated in its own right.

They have their own history of racist oppression, there’s no need to appropriate that of the confederacy…

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