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It seems like all I’m writing about these days is corruption but it’s such a huge story and covered in such scattershot fashion by the MSM, I feel as if it’s important. Here’s another one.

Trump is busily having the U.S. taxpayers pay off his cronies for staying loyal even though they are criminals:

The Trump administration has agreed to pay $1.25 million to settle claims from 2016 Trump campaign adviser Carter Page that the FBI and Justice Department illegally entangled him in court-ordered surveillance, according to a court filing and a person familiar with the deal.

Page sued the federal government — along with top FBI and Justice Department officials — in 2020, saying they abused their foreign intelligence surveillance authorities after his travel to Russia drew the eye of the FBI and fueled investigations of then-candidate Donald Trump’s ties to the Kremlin. The allegations also provoked Trump’s attacks on the FBI, Justice Department and intelligence agencies, saying they cut corners and broke rules in a single-minded effort to tie him to Russia and damage his presidency.

Solicitor General John Sauer revealed the settlement Wednesday in a filing with the Supreme Court, where Page had pressed his case after losing fights in federal district and appeals courts.

This is a very clever ploy. Sure the government, lose in court and then have Trump’s DOJ “settle” with millions of dollars. Sweet little payoff scam.

And Trump s deploying this for himself as well, having sued the government for a leak of his tax information (despite the fact that every other president has released those voluntarily.) He’ll be approving the “settlement” himself, of course. He personally runs the DOJ and they all admit it:

Lawyers for Donald Trump ​and the Internal Revenue Service are in talks to settle the U.S. president’s $10 billion lawsuit against the tax ‌collection agency for leaking his tax returns to the media in 2019 and 2020.

In a Friday filing in Miami federal court, the lawyers asked a judge to put the case on hold for 90 days “while the parties engage in discussions designed to resolve this matter and to avoid protracted ​litigation.” A pause “could narrow or resolve the issues efficiently,” they added.

[…]

Trump and the other plaintiffs said the leaks caused them financial ​harm and public embarrassment, and tarnished their reputations and public standing.

Prosecutors charged Littlejohn in 2023 with leaking tax records of Trump and thousands ‌of other ⁠wealthy Americans to the media, saying he was motivated by a political agenda. Littlejohn later pleaded guilty to improper disclosures, and a judge sentenced him to five years in prison.

Any payout in Trump’s lawsuit would likely involve taxpayer dollars. Trump has said he would donate money collected from the case to charity.

“The IRS wrongly allowed a rogue, politically-motivated employee to leak private and confidential information” ​to the Times, ProPublica and ​other “left-wing news outlets,” a spokesperson ⁠for Trump’s legal team said in a statement. “President Trump continues to hold those who wrong America and Americans accountable.”

Think about that. The president and his spawn are claiming that releasing their tax returns caused them “financial harm and public embarrassment.” Shouldn’t the president be so above board that nothing in his taxes could cause him financial harm and embarrassment? Shouldn’t he be an open book?

I’ll be very curious to see which “charity” he gives the money too. Not that it matters. There is no reason for the taxpayers to be on the hook for any of these suits and the nakedly trollish nature of it all should have the American public in total revolt. It appears there needs to be some changes in the law around all of this.

Apparently, we can no longer have even the slightest trust in our leaders that they have enough character not to steal the country blind and say “waddaya gonna do about it?”

Remember, when the NY Times asked why he was ignoring all the ethical norms he (pretended to) follow in the first term, his answer was, “because I found out nobody cared.”

We should care.

Back when Donald Trump was just a New York tabloid fixture and reality show host, his signature tag line was typically rude and nasty: “You’re fired!” During his first campaign, he loved to yell it out on stage at his rallies with a snarling expression, which made the crowds go wild. Even when he ascended to the White House, he deployed the expression liberally, often aiming it at his staff and Cabinet members. His administration was known for its massive turnover, breaking records for a president’s first term. 

According to a Brookings Institute study, when he left office in 2021, Trump’s “A Team” turnover was 92%, a figure that did not include Cabinet secretaries. Even more startling was the turnover there. Most members of his Cabinet were forced out under pressure — fired, in other words — or else they resigned in protest. A similar analysis by the New York Times found that of 21 top White House and Cabinet positions going back to 1992, “nine had turned over at least once during the Trump administration, compared with three at the same point of the Clinton administration, two under President Barack Obama and one under President George W. Bush.” 

As it happens, Trump is known to be a coward when it comes to bringing the hammer down himself, so he often tasks others to do his dirty work. The most famous example of this involves Rex Tillerson, Trump’s first secretary of state, who learned he was fired by a presidential tweet in the middle of a trip to Africa. The story goes that when Gen. John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, called Tillerson to warn the tweet was coming, the secretary was on the john. 

Incidents like this were commonplace during the president’s first term, and now, with a series of three Cabinet firings or forced resignations in six weeks — Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on March 5, Attorney General Pam Bondi on April 2 and Labor Secretary Lori Chavez-DeRemer on April 20 — it appears he may be returning to his old ways.

Trump entered office in 2017 unschooled in the ways of Washington, and he knew nothing about how the presidency worked. He expected that members of his staff and Cabinet would be as fawning and obsequious as his employees at the Trump Organization. Instead he found they considered themselves professionals, with a responsibility to give the president their best advice. He soon disabused them of such a notion.

This is not to say that there weren’t some people who deserved to be fired. Trump’s first national security adviser, Retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, was found to be chatting with the Russian ambassador on a back channel during the transition, and then lied about it to the FBI. But Trump has harbored regrets about firing Flynn, so much that he recently signed off on a Justice Department settlement of over a million dollars to compensate the former adviser for his trouble — even though he had pleaded guilty and was let off the hook with a presidential pardon. Flynn has stayed loyal to Trump, and the president is rewarding him handsomely.

Then there were people like Tom Price, Trump’s first secretary of health and human services. He was forced to resign because he was traveling around on private jets at taxpayer expense, which seems like a joke today. (Who in the second Trump administration isn’t doing that? Trump himself has accepted a luxury 747 as a gift from a foreign country.) There were alleged domestic abusers forced to resign, and lawyers, ethics advisers and other staffers who disagreed on policy, many of whom Trump just decided he didn’t like. They left under a cloud — each one a scandal for at least one news cycle. 

The main lesson Trump appears to have taken from his first term was to only hire staff who would never dare to cross him or tell him anything he doesn’t want to hear. All you have to do is witness the displays of sycophancy by his appointees during his televised Cabinet meetings to understand the dynamics within his second administration. And until recently, Trump has refused to fire any of them — no matter what they’ve done.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth was caught red-handed divulging sensitive information on an unsecured phone app — he even put a very critical journalist on the thread by mistake — and all Trump did as punishment was demote the national security adviser to United Nations ambassador. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. remains in his job, despite presiding over a record measles outbreak, and being a daily embarrassment and ongoing threat to the health of the nation. FBI Director Kash Patel has bungle high-profile investigations and recently filed suit against the Atlantic for reporting there have been “episodes of excessive drinking and unexplained absences.” Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s conflicts of interest and ties to Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender, might have caused him to be fired by any other president. But his fidelity to Trump is second to none, and he remains in his job.

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But something has changed in recent weeks. Noem, who presided over the president’s unpopular mass deportation policy, was forced out amid allegations of grifting, self-dealing and carrying on an affair with her top lieutenant Corey Lewandowski. Bondi was fired for botching the Epstein files and failing to effectively prosecute the people on Trump’s lengthy enemies list. And on Monday, Chavez-DeRemer reportedly resigned due to charges of abuse of power, drinking on the job and sexual misconduct charges involving her father and her husband

As the president’s approval ratings have plunged into the low to mid-30s amid rising inflation, the spectacle of his immigration policy and his inexplicable decision to go to war with Iran, Trump appears to be looking for scapegoats — and ways to distract the media and the public. It’s a mark of a presidency on the brink, teetering due to a chaotic and vacillating policy agenda, poor management and outright incompetence.

And if rumors are to be believed, more firings could be in the offing.

The prediction markets have Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard at the top of the list. She’s working overtime to appease Trump by apparently spending her time creating “evidence” that the Russia investigation, his first impeachment and the 2020 election were all Democratic Party/Deep State conspiracies. Trump needs that to soothe him as he faces even more exposure as a failure in this second term. Whether it will be enough to spare her is an open question. She is, after all, a woman — just like Chavez-DeRemer, Bondi and Noem.

Whatever the case, more scapegoats are almost certainly on the way. If there’s one thing we know about Trump, it’s that he will never blame himself.

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I know it's a bit downmarket these days to point out Trump's crookedness and hypocrisy but MAGA simply cannot stop speedrunning the plot of Animal Farm, becoming everything they claimed to despise about the previous regime, except more so.

Like, for four years, a central attack… https://t.co/lmySZzeAup

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) April 23, 2026

Derek Thompson notes:

I know it’s a bit downmarket these days to point out Trump’s crookedness and hypocrisy but MAGA simply cannot stop speedrunning the plot of Animal Farm, becoming everything they claimed to despise about the previous regime, except more so.

Like, for four years, a central attack on Joe Biden was that Hunter was trading on the family name. They even launched a congressional investigation, iirc. Now they either say nothing or enthusiastically cheer on the president’s kids as they run a cryptocurrency exchange, a bitcoin mining operation, a luxury real estate brand, and a social media company, all of which are getting money from foreign governments and sovereign wealth funds.

Here Eric Trump is appearing on TV as an adviser to a company that just won a $24 million Pentagon contract! And Fox Business is like: “way to go, Eric, we’re proud of you, you really knocked this one out of the park.”

Reporters and Democrats should confront every single Republican about this relentlessly. They stalked and hunted Hunter Biden over something that had happened nearly a decade before, criminally indicted him and tried to destroy him. And they come back with this? They might as well be spitting in our faces.

The corruption is so blatant now that the Democrats simply have to put it front and center. If they don’t the people are going to conclude they’re in on it.

If MAGA can’t have America, no one can

Donald Trump’s MAGA movement, despite its branding, is not about returning to past American greatness or building anything like it in the future. MAGA is throwing a decade-long tantrum over demographic and social change it cannot stop.

Prof. Timothy Snyder dubs it “superpower suicide”:

“Superpower Suicide” is a concept to help understand the approach of the Trump regime to the rest of the world. We are fighting a war for no reason we can name, losing it, and covering our defeat with genocidal and apocalyptic propaganda. This is bad enough on its own; but I think this performance is symptomatic of something deeper — a systematic undoing of American power by Americans. In this video I stay close to very traditional accounts of the accumulation and maintenance of of state power, all of which indicate rapid and catastrophic decline as the result of specific choices in the last year. I don’t even mention one source of US power which is specifically modern: the international structures we built over decades to ensure our centrality, which the Trump people are undoing. Many of the American fundamentals are still very sound, but a better future, or any kind of future at all, will depend on a sober reckoning with the present moment.

Snyder sees a movement with Donald Trump as its figurehead as one separately described as “a regime of the bullies for the billionaires” by Anat Shenker-Osorio. “There is no idea of the future,” Snyder says. “There’s just day-to-day enrichment. We’re pursuing policies inconsistent with being a superpower.”

The “we” in Snyder’s formulation is the people with their hands actually on the levers of power. It is a class of grifters, to be sure, with no commitment either to the American republic or to its founding principles, only to their own enrichment. They are above the law. Above history. Above patriotism. They’ve applied the concept of an extractive economy to the operation of a nation state itself.

Stephen Hinton decsribed it seven years ago in a Medium post, writing, “It is rather surprising that the dominant business paradigm is capitalism and yet it runs on degrading capital. On a finite planet, this is surely not good business let alone good for the planet.” Or for a democratic republic run on extraction, which is the only one Trump and his hangers-on know.

The story is different for MAGA footsoldiers who now see that Trump has betrayed them. He’s pursing his own pecuniary interests and self-aggrandizement with no regard for their well-being. Trump manipulated them for his own interests by performing commitment to theirs. And now that he’s a lame duck, he can drop all pretense. And has.

Readers who have been with me since my early tenure here at Ye Olde Blog may recall that I see another dynamic at work among the kind of people who adopted Trump as their champion. It is the kind of self-destructiveness one see among people with low impulse control, sometimes reflected in less education, and sometimes in proud rejection of it. If they cannot get their way, they start acting out. Or breaking things or setting fires. Trump is both.

I wrote back in 2015:

 I have long said that the Republican Party is acting out one of those dreary murder ballads with America. If they cannot have America for their own, they just might burn it down. John Boehner can relate. That is why Digby quoted Rick Perlstein yesterday: “Take demagogues seriously. Voters love them. And they’re only a joke until they win.”

I took her by her lily white hand

And dragged her down that bank of sand

There I throwed her in to drown

I watched her as she floated down

“Was walking home tween twelve and one

Thinkin’ of what I had done

I killed a girl, my love you see

Because she would not marry me

– from “Banks Of The Ohio” (traditional)

They love their country — it’s THEIR country — and if they can’t have her, nobody can.

Reflections on Virginia mid-decade redistricting

Republicans got their stopped clock cleaned in Virginia on Tuesday when voters approved a new congressional map that — say it ain’t so! — disenfranchises a large swath of voters: theirs. Donald Trump in clockwork fashion declared the election rigged. Republicans were winning earlier in the day (before any votes were counted?), he insisted, before the dreaded “Mail In Ballot Drop” (whatever that is). “Where have I heard that before?” Trump raged. He’s more obsessed with the manner of voting than the outcome. Disenfranchising Republicans is an afterthought.

Tazewell County Circuit Court Judge Jack Hurley barred state officials from implementing the new maps, calling the ballot language “flagrantly misleading” and the process in violation of the Virginia constitution. Virginia Attorney General Jay pledged to appeal the ruling.

“Republicans lost,” says Virginians for Fair Elections. “Now they’re trying to overturn the will of the voters in court and trying to relitigate an election they couldn’t win.”

Where have you heard that before?

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez offered a terse rejoinder to Republican howls of disenfranchisement. Essentially, don’t like it when it’s done to you? Then stop doing it to us. Join us and ban partisan gerrymandering.

Reporter: What do you make of Republicans saying that Virginia—

AOC: Wah wah wah.

We have asked Republicans for 10 years to ban partisan gerrymandering. And for 10 years, Republicans have said no. Republicans have fought for partisan gerrymanders across the United States of… pic.twitter.com/BVa9uOH0zq

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 22, 2026

The Atlantic‘s Adam Serwer responds to the accusation that the effort by Virginia Democrats disenfranchises Republicans: “That is exactly what the new Virginia map does,” Serwer states bluntly, offering a summary history of partisan gerrymandering.

Republicans justify their rigging of district maps on the grounds that “the votes of constituencies that lean Republican are more legitimate than those that lean liberal.” They state it explicitly. Serwer brings receipts:

“If you took Madison and Milwaukee out of the state election formula, we would have a clear majority—we would have all five constitutional officers and we would probably have many more seats in the Legislature,” Robin Vos, the Republican speaker of the state assembly in Wisconsin, said in 2018. The logic here is clear: Rural votes, more likely to be Republican, should count more than urban votes, which tend to come from Democrats. At the time, Republicans in Wisconsin had managed to draw maps so effectively that even when Democrats won 53 percent of the vote, they won only about a third of the seats in the legislature.

When Democratic states tried to lead by example in adopting nonpartisan redistricting commissions, Republicans saw an advantage. If Democrats would not pursue maximum advantage for themselves, Republicans would in states they controlled.

Republicans’ will to power vs. Democrats defense of democratic principles does not win them the approval one might assume.

Over at Strength In Numbers, Elliot Morris this morning reflects on a recent poll on party favorability. Democrats are -3 on favorability and Republicans -16. But part of that unfavorability for Democrats is, you guessed it:

Even voters who say they have an unfavorable view of the Democratic Party often plan to vote for Democrats anyway. And when Democrats’ own voters complain about their party in their own words, the complaint is not that Democrats are too liberal or “weak and woke”, it’s that they’re not fighting hard enough, particularly against Donald Trump.

Morris reflects on his polling’s findings:

As I wrote back in February, the Democratic brand is not predominantly woke, but weak. Respondents to our survey associated the Democrats with traits like honesty and caring about the working class, but they are seen as weak and not particularly effective. The Republican brand, by contrast, is a strong brand that a majority of the country finds extreme.

This takes us back to Virginia. Republicans’ howls do not presage a recommitment to small-d democratic principles any more than Tucker Carlson’s mea culpas about Donald Trump this week reflect a “road to Damascus” change of heart about his embrace of fascism. (Carlson is simply positioning himself to secure a base in a post-Trump MAGA.) Serwer sees it too, writing that Republicans “simply believe that disenfranchising Democrats is good but disenfranchising Republicans is bad.”

Serwer concludes with Justice Elena Kagan:

“The partisan gerrymanders here debased and dishonored our democracy, turning upside-down the core American idea that all governmental power derives from the people,” Justice Elena Kagan wrote in her 2019 dissent in Rucho. “If left unchecked, gerrymanders like the ones here may irreparably damage our system of government.”

Kagan was right then, and she’s right now. If Republicans had listened at the time, they would not be tasting their own bitter medicine today.

What I wonder now is whether in the next poll Democrats’ clapback in Virginia will improve their standing with Democrats and independents who perceive the party as weak in this one. When polled on which Democrats they see as sharing their values, “Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Zohran Mamdani lead the pack, with more traditional voices including Barack Obama, Pete Buttigieg, Kamala Harris, and Gavin Newsom coming in close behind.” AOC’s comments above show why she’s in the first group. It’s a flashing red light that party leaders won’t heed that no Democrat in House or Senate leadership even show up in the chart below.

Morris writes:

The strategic implications here are straightforward. Democrats do not need to reinvent themselves ideologically nearly as much as they need to convince voters they can act with purpose and deliver on their promises. Their own supporters are not begging for moderation so much as urgency; independents, too, have fewer specific ideological qualms with the party as they do personal germane criticism. They are not demanding a lurch left or right so much as evidence of leadership, coherence, and fight.

In a political environment where neither party is broadly beloved, voters must know you stand for something — and for standing up for it, too. The Democrats have made a lot of progress on these numbers over the last year. But a perception of weakness is still its biggest one.

Fight more, libs.

This is just twisted:

A report showing the efficacy of the covid-19 vaccine that was previously delayed by the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been blocked from being published in the agency’s flagship scientific journal, according to three people familiar with the decision who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. The report showed that the vaccine reduced emergency department visits and hospitalizations among healthy adults by about half this past winter.

The move, which has not been previously reported, has raised concerns among current and former officials that information about the vaccine’s benefits is being downplayed because it conflicts with the views of Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who has been an outspoken critic of the shots. Kennedy’s vaccine agenda has received pointed questioning from lawmakers during budget hearings that began last week and conclude Wednesday.

They are literally hiding the truth because they are either incredibly stupid or flagrantly corrupt. There can be absolutely no reason to keep this under wraps.

It reduced er visits and hospitalizations by half! I’m sure this is mostly among seniors and vulnerable people who are religious about getting their shots (like me) because they know that this disease still exists and it still kills people.

But then Pete Hegseth just removed the requirement for flu shots in the military that’s been in place since the 1940s. (George Washington famously required smallpox vaccines during the revolutionary war.) I’m sure I don’t have to explain why it might be important to prevent viruses from spreading among people who live and work in close quarters — in a war.

This is just nuts and it’s getting worse every day. If you have a chance to watch any of the clips of RFK Jr testifying before Congress this week gird yourself. The man is obviously unfit and starting to look seriously unwell.

Get your vaccines folks — while you can. I could actually see a black market developing if they end up making them impossible to get legally. At this point I’m not sure they won’t try to do it.

Dr. Oz: I think President Trump is healthy as a bull…

He defends his decisions about food and fast food by saying that when he’s on the road, he doesn’t want to get sick.

So he eats at large brands because he knows they’re not going to skimp on the quality of the food” pic.twitter.com/rx3T5Ds1kJ

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) April 22, 2026

I think he’s probably more or less physically healthy for someone his age. Some people are just able to eat garbage and it doesn’t hurt them. His excuse for eating it (they use good ingredients!!??) is fatuous as always but then what isn’t?

He also has never indulged in alcohol and drugs (as far as we know) and he never smoked. So that probably makes a difference. Still, Joe Biden thought he was healthy as well and ended up being diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. Sure, that could happen to anyone but the odds get much higher that something’s lurking inside you when you get to be 80, which is where Trump is.

And none of that addresses the real elephant in the room which is his mental state. Oz describes his obsessions and pro-occupations as “passion” for the issues. Nonsense. His mind is coming unglued and he’s unable to focus on anything but his ballroom, tariffs and vengeance. Not even the war is able to hold his attention. Plus, he’s falling asleep on camera, speaking in gibberish much more than he used to and is making impulsive, dangerous decisions. Maybe Oz is too dazzled by his “extraordinary brilliance” that he can’t see it.

On the other hand, he is a proven hack and a quack and has no business being anywhere near our government health systems.

Ye, yep, yep. Of course it was rigged. And our self-described “extraordinarily brilliant” president couldn’t understand the referendum so it must mean that anyone who voted for it didn’t understand it. either.

One of the main questions I have about the MAGA voters is how they can stand the fact that their great guru, Dear Leader is such a winny little bitch.

G. Elliott Morris reports on a new survey:

Our new poll shows that 55% of U.S. adults support the House voting to impeach Trump, while 37% oppose and 8% are unsure.

As for the president’s overall approval rating, there is a strong intensity gap in responses to our poll. Overall, 45% of all adults say they strongly support impeachment, while only 30% say they strongly oppose it. That is a 15-point intensity gap in favor of impeachment — the people who want Trump out are both more numerous and more committed than the people who want him to stay.

Support for impeachment extends well beyond the Democratic base. The chart below shows support and opposition to impeaching the president for major demographic groups in our new survey:

Look at those demographics. Yikes. The only group that isn’t in favor are the over 65s and that’s a bare majority. I’m frankly a little bit shocked by this. He’s even lost 21% of Republicans.

People seem to mean it:
The 55% figure is unusual by modern impeachment-polling standards.

After January 6, 2021, ABC News/Washington Post found 56% wanted Trump impeached and removed from office. Other polls showed similar numbers: The Pew Research Center had it at 54%, and Gallup at 52%.

For comparison’s sake, during the Ukraine impeachment in fall 2019, Fox News had impeachment and removal at 51% and Gallup at 52%. Bill Clinton’s peak removal number in January 1999 (which failed) was just 33%.

And support for impeaching Trump today is only a few percentage points lower than it was for Richard Nixon in 1974: And at the height of Watergate, days before Nixon resigned, Gallup found 58% wanted him removed. Trump is in “Nixon resignation” territory with these impeachment numbers (and his approval rating overall).

But note our poll is not completely apples to apples: we asked about the House voting to impeach, a lower bar than the “impeach and remove” language most national pollsters have used historically. But even accounting for that, the April 2026 number sits at or near the high-water mark of modern impeachment polling, and well above the Ukraine and Clinton readings.

I think the Democrats should do it if the win the House, and they should do it on the basis of his rampant corruption. Even if the Republicans in the Senate refuse to convict, which is almost certain, get those politicians on the record defending this outrageous grift. It’s the issue that brings the whole thing together — the assault on democracy, the economy, national security and the completely disrespect of the American voters.

No wonder he’s losing his grip. He doesn’t know how to end the war he’s started, the economy is getting worse by the day and his immigration program has turned out to be massively unpopular. And the country has turned on him because of it.

This guy would vote for it:

Trump in 2008: Anyone who invades the Middle East under false pretenses should be impeached.

Be a real shame if everyone reposted this. pic.twitter.com/5PLA7xGpyC

— Viral Reel Addict (@ViralReelAddict) April 22, 2026

RFK Jr: "President Trump has a different way of calculating percentages. If you have a $600 drug and you reduce it to $10, that's a 600% reduction." pic.twitter.com/MjDNADqc8p

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 22, 2026

Warren is making a good point there but really everyone should have stopped and shouted, “say what?” in unison when Bobby said that:

• Law Degree (JD): University of Virginia
• Master’s in Environmental Law (LLM): Pace University
• Undergraduate: Harvard University
• Other Studies: London School of Economics

He did all that while addicted to heroin so maybe he was just on the nod most of the time?