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Trump Is Acting Like Orbán

But America isn’t Hungary

All of this was predictable. Project 2025 laid out the majority of the actions we’ve seen unfolding.

The police state tactics of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the outright abuse of due process and civil liberties. President Donald Trump’s inane tariffs, which have the economy teetering on the edge, even though the effects are only starting to be felt. The investigations and persecutions of Trump’s enemies. His firing of anyone whose job it is to make independent, apolitical judgements, including a Federal Reserve governor, the Bureau of Labor Statistics commissioner, career Justice Department and FBI officialsscientists and other experts throughout the federal government. Their replacement by hacks and quacks. Trump’s intimidation of universitiescorporations and law firms by threatening to withhold government research funding. His assaults on the press, which have included pressuring media companies, filing frivolous lawsuits and harassing journalists.

And now there’s Jimmy Kimmel. The late-night talk show host’s indefinite suspension by ABC and Disney marks an escalation in what is turning into a full-blown assault by the administration on the First Amendment.

It’s one thing to have a hissy fit over what someone said on television, and to initiate boycotts and consumer complaints so their employers will fire them. That happens all the time. But a government official, in this case Federal Communications Chairman Brendan Carr, openly threatening a corporation with retaliation if they refuse to silence political speech is new. 

Trump, of course, has a track record. In December 2024, ABC agreed to settle a defamation suit the president brought against the network for $15 million. And in July, CBS and Paramount agreed to a $16 million settlement for a lawsuit Trump had filed. (Four months earlier, the company also announced it was canceling “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” who had come under fire from the president.) Trump brought a $15 billion libel lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal in July, and on Sept. 15 he filed a $15 billion defamation suit against the New York Times (which was dismissed by a federal judge four days later). In at least two instances — with CBS and Paramount, and now with ABC and Disney — the media companies were seeking approval for mega-mergers from the FCC,  and the administration appeared to strong-arm the companies with threats that were barely more sophisticated than “nice little merger you have here, be a shame if anything happened to it.”

In all of this — the media intimidation, the extremist policies — Trump has modeled his actions on Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, whose far-right government is often referred to as a “soft autocracy.” Orbán had been a darling of the American right for some time, appearing at Conservative Political Action Conference gatherings and even hosting them in Budapest. Everyone from Steve Bannon to Tucker Carlson has made pilgrimages to Hungary to extol the virtues of the country’s clean cities and traditional society, which they attributed to the prime minister’s unabashed xenophobia and powerful grip on country’s cultural and democratic institutions. 

Orbán, though, didn’t achieve that autocratic nirvana overnight. After a rough start in politics, he made a comeback having completely reinvented himself as a populist. Orbán had a lot of support from the electorate, but he understood he needed to be subtle about many of the changes he was making — and he knew it was imperative for the population to be economically secure. So he took his time, slowly rolling out his plan to overhaul Hungary’s universities, take over the media and “reform” the legal system and the constitution. Over time, most of the intellectual opposition left the country. 

Orbán’s co-opting of the media was his masterstroke — and it has succeeded in keeping the majority of Hungarians in his camp for a long time. CNN’s Brian Stelter spoke with Gábor Scheiring, a former member of the Hungarian parliament, who told him that “Orbán weakened public broadcasting, muzzled independent media through ‘autocratic carrots and sticks,’ and incentivized owners to fall in line.” Scheiring observed “a key underlying story is that media owners, both foreign and domestic, largely capitulated individually rather than mounting collective resistance, which enabled Orbán’s systematic capture strategy.”

The prime minister also managed to rig the system by permitting loyalists to buy up media companies, leaving virtually no outlet that isn’t essentially part of his coalition.

Orbán is a strongman, but he’s much more sophisticated in how he applies his dictatorial powers. His strategy has been to work systematically, and with patience, to keep the people on his side. The prime minister understands that, in the modern world, deploying soldiers to cities and having masked thugs abduct people off the streets is not a good look. This is where Trump has diverged from the Orbán model. The president is a one-man wrecking crew, leaving carnage everywhere as he rushes through the Project 2025 agenda.

Orbán’s success has also largely depended on Hungary’s fairly stable economy, which benefited from its European Union membership during a prosperous period. For the first time in 15 years, he is now facing some headwinds. The economy is faltering, and many Hungarians seem restless for change. Although Orbán managed to defang much of his government’s traditional opposition, he now faces what appears to be a formidable challenger in the form of Péter Magyar, a supporter-turned-critic who is currently a member of the European Parliament.

Most people who study Orbánism make it clear that what he achieved was made possible, in large part, by the fact that Hungary is a small country where it’s easier to centralize power than in a large global superpower like the U.S. Still, it’s noteworthy just how closely the second Trump administration is hewing to the Orbán model and how similarly the institutions are responding so far. 

MAGA’s reign, however, may not be quite as sure as they assume. Trump and his accomplices are drunk with power — and they are stuck in the past. They are seemingly unaware that a 21st century autocracy is best achieved with cunning and finesse. But the famously impatient Trump, at least in his second term, is motivated by instant gratification and a desire to dominate. As fast as he is achieving his authoritarian goals, he may lose it all just as quickly. America isn’t Hungary — and Donald Trump isn’t Viktor Orbán.

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Trump’s Desaparecidos

No free helicopter rides … yet

 (Photos: screenshots/Kat Abughazaleh/X)

During the GWOT (Bush II’s global war on terror, for those who’ve forgotten), our leaders scooped up suspected terrorists and innocents in the post-September 11 dragnet and “rendered” them for torture to prisons in Syria, Afghanistan and Uzbekistan. The Trump 2.0 dragnet is flying suspected undocumented immigrants (without due process) to exotic locations like Eswatini. (I had to look it up.)

And under cover of transponder darkness to other spots in Africa (Rolling Stone):

Two American military cargo jets deported people to Africa this month on flights that appear to have had their transponders turned off, obscuring their locations from public flight databases and other nearby aircraft. 

One of the jets was later identified in a lawsuit in U.S. federal court as carrying 14 Nigerian and Gambian nationals to a prison camp in Ghana. They have since been returned to their countries of origin, Ghana said, despite all having credible fears of persecution or torture. The other jet secretly landed in Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Mali, according to communications from the flight deck obtained by Rolling Stone. Representatives for the governments of these countries did not respond to emails about the passengers on this jet.

They are not throwing them out of helicopters yet. Maybe Jan. 6 protesters Trump pardoned have not kissed his ass lately and asked.

ICE agents on the ground are behaving like police-state thugs in places like Georgia:

ICE activities in Chicago over the weekend saw protesters shot with pepper balls and slammed to the ground by masked agents, including Illinois 9th Congressional District Democratic primary candidate Kat Abughazaleh.

ICE continues to assault us.We are peacefully protesting. They are kidnapping and hurting us.

Kat Abughazaleh (@katmabu.bsky.social) 2025-09-19T12:01:26.740Z

ICE detainees at Louisiana’a infamous Angola prison are on a hunger strike:

A statement from both groups says that detainees at the facility the Trump administration has dubbed the Louisiana Lockup are also asking for basic necessities such as toilet paper, hygiene products, and clean drinking water. Further, they seek visitation from Ice officers to raise concerns about conditions inside the facility.

People with chronic health conditions are not receiving prescribed medications, according to SEDND and NIPNLG’s statement, and there is no access to services such as a law library or religious programming, which are required under federal detention standards.

Former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance writes regarding the state targeting political opponents for prosecution:

So let’s be clear about what Trump wants. He wants to turn us into a banana republic where the ability to prosecute people becomes a political tool in the hands of the president. That means he wants to exercise the ultimate power to put down any opposition to his rule.

So, how was your weekend in the land of the free?

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Would You Let Stephen Miller Babysit Your Kids?

“Righteous fury” aimed at you-know-who

Donald Trump’s pet psychopath (and White House deputy chief of staff) spoke on Sunday in Glendale, Ariz. at the memorial service for slain conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Jim Stewartson of MindWar did not need much prompting to hear in Stephen Miller’s speech of “righteous fury” echoes of another delivered in Germany in 1932.

Miller spent much of his speech calling for victory in a war for western civilization against “our enemies,” “the forces of wickedness and evil.” He predicted a coming “storm” of backlash over “what you did to us.” Miller attacked an unidentified “you,” “they,” and “those” — the Other — three dozen times and let his audience fill in the blank.

“They cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen in all of us because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You have wickeness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred.”

“We have beauty. We have light. We have goodness,” Miller continued. “We built the world we inhabit now, generation by generation,” he said, basking in the legacy of Greece and Rome.

Stewartson’s ears were burning:

Stephen Miller’s speech at Charlie Kirk’s memorial was essentially plagiarized. See if you can spot the similarities.

The Storm is Coming by Joseph Goebbels (1932)

“So our dead comrade Horst Wessel wrote, and we are fulfilling his prophesy. The others may lie, slander, and pour their scorn on us — their political days are numbered.”

“They promised you, workers, citizens and creative Germans, a Reich of freedom and beauty and dignity.”

“People, rise up, and storm, break loose!”

“You are the witnesses, the builders, the will-bearers of our idea and our worldview.”

“Well, we the people have awakened! We have risen against oppression, 15 million people have joined in an army of revenge.”

“You, men, women and comrades, are the bearers, witnesses, builders and finishers of this unique people’s uprising… We have served the truth, and only the truth. For twelve years, they have insulted and outlawed and slandered and persecuted us.”

Would you let this man babysit your kids?

Update: This might come in handy.

@charlesmcbryde

Hope that clears it up!

♬ original sound – Charles McBryde

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ICYWW

A taste of the service, if you missed it:

Remembering Paul Wellstone

As I watch this political rally/memorial service for Kirk I can’t help but be reminded of this piece I wrote so many moons ago:

I first noticed the right’s successful use of  ostentatious handwringing, sanctimony and faux outrage back in the 90’s when well-known conservative players like Gingrich and Livingston pretended to be offended at the president’s extramarital affair and were repeatedly and tiresomely “upset” about fund-raising practices they all practiced themselves. The idea of these powerful and corrupt adulterers being personally upset by White House coffees and naughty sexual behavior was laughable.

But they did it, oh how they did it, and it often succeeded in changing the dialogue and titillating the media into a frenzy of breathless tabloid coverage.

In fact, they became so good at the tactic that they now rely on it as their first choice to control the political dialogue when it becomes uncomfortable and put the Democrats on the defensive whenever they are winning the day. Perhaps the best example during the Bush years would be the completely cynical and over-the-top reaction to Senator Paul Wellstone’s memorial rally in 2002 in the last couple of weeks leading up to the election.

With the exception of the bizarre Jesse Ventura, those in attendance, including the Republicans, were non-plussed by the nature of the event at the time. It was not, as the chatterers insisted, a funeral, but rather more like an Irish wake for Wellstone supporters — a celebration of Wellstone’s life, which included, naturally, politics. (He died campaigning, after all.) But Vin Weber, one of the Republican party’s most sophisticated operatives, immediately saw the opportunity for a faux outrage fest that was more successful than even he could have ever dreamed.

By the time they were through, the Democrats were prostrating themselves at the feet of anyone who would listen, begging for forgiveness for something they didn’t do, just to stop the shrieking. The Republicans could barely keep the smirks off their faces as they sternly lectured the Democrats on how to properly honor the dead — the same Republicans who had relentlessly tortured poor Vince Foster’s family for years.

They were very upset at all the politics going on at the memorial service for a sitting senator just weeks before an election. How rude!

Today we have the entire top tier of the U.S. government gathered in front of a massive crowd at a memorial service for a slain organizer and podcaster doing a whole lot of politics.

But don’t you dare say anything. They’ll have your job.

The “Debate Me Bro” Playbook

Mike Masnick at Techdirt does a nice job of defining what the Kirk “debate” challenges were really all about. Unsurprisingly, it is very reminiscent of the type of shit posting the right’s done for years on the internet. “Debate” it is not.

He begins by talking about Ezra Klein’s assertion that Kirk “did politics right” by allegedly being open to civil debate. He was wrong:

Klein is eulogizing not a practitioner of good-faith political discourse, but one of the most successful architects of “debate me bro” culture—a particularly toxic form of intellectual harassment that has become endemic to our political discourse. And by praising Kirk as practicing “politics the right way,” Klein is inadvertently endorsing a grift that actively undermines the kind of thoughtful engagement our democracy desperately needs.

The “debate me bro” playbook is simple and effective: demand that serious people engage with your conspiracy theories or extremist talking points. If they decline, cry “censorship!” and claim they’re “afraid of the truth.” If they accept, turn the interaction into a performance designed to generate viral clips and false legitimacy. It’s a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose proposition that has nothing to do with genuine intellectual discourse.

The fundamental issue with “debate me bro” culture isn’t just that it’s obnoxious, it’s that it creates a false equivalence between good-faith expertise and bad-faith trolling. When you agree to debate someone pushing long-debunked conspiracy theories or openly hateful ideologies, you’re implicitly suggesting that their position deserves equal consideration alongside established facts and expert analysis.

This is exactly backwards from how the actual “marketplace of ideas” is supposed to work. Ideas don’t deserve platforms simply because someone is willing to argue for them loudly. They earn legitimacy through evidence, peer review, and sustained engagement with reality. Many of the ideas promoted in these viral “debates” have already been thoroughly debunked and rejected by that marketplace—but the “debate me bro” format resurrects them as if they’re still worth serious consideration.

Perhaps most insidiously, these aren’t actually debates at all. They’re performances designed to generate specific emotional reactions for viral distribution. Participants aren’t trying to persuade anyone or genuinely engage with opposing viewpoints. They’re trying to create moments that will get clipped, shared, and monetized across social media.

Kirk perfected this grift. As a recent detailed analysis of one of Kirk’s debates demonstrates, when a student showed up prepared with nuanced, well-researched arguments, Kirk immediately tried pivoting to culture war talking points and deflection tactics. When debaters tried to use Kirk’s own standards against him, he shifted subjects entirely. The goal was never understanding or persuasion—it was generating content for social media distribution.

Of course it’s a grift. The entire right wing political ecosystem is based on grifting and has been since before Kirk was born.

This “debate me bro” approach even the snotty “prove me wrong” slogan goes way back too. It’s always been their tactic in online debate with liberals. “The Holocaust never happened! Prove me wrong!” would be their challenge and then proceed to hurl non-sequiturs and talking points to derail the discussion. It’s about domination, nothing more. I can’t believe anyone who’s been around the political internet for a while doesn’t understand that.

Update — This. I forgot:

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”, and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings. The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki,which The Independent called “the most apt description of Twitter you’ll ever see”

St. Charlie

AI rendering of the proposed statue

I honestly don’t know what to say about this. From Jeb Lund at The Nation:

The bad news is that Charlie Kirk is dead, but the good news is that he’s now part of the curriculum. It’s been my understanding from people opposed to tearing down memorials to treasonous slavers that the most effective means of teaching people is via statuary—and my alma mater, the New College of Florida, is leading the way, with the announcement that private donors will be paying to place a statue of the late right-wing influencer on campus.

That’s the liberal arts school recently taken over by the right wing under the tutelage of one of their chief propagandists Christopher Rufo.

Oklahoma has an initiative to put statues of Kirk on every campus in the state.

Obviously, most of this is cynical manipulation. They are creating a martyr out of someone who most of the country had barely heard of (or not at all) as an avatar for their people to gather around. Cardinal Dolan compared him to St. Paul. Some are even imbuing him with supernatural powers:

And I kind of get the feeling that Trump isn’t really all that happy about it. After all, he’s the star and all this attention on Kirk almost makes him look better than Dear Leader. He’s supposed to be the guy with the statues, right? These MAGAs had better watch their step.

Happening Every Day In America

ICE shoot “less than lethal” bullets at woman’s chest at point blank range—put her in illegal chokehold. She is thrown down & maced even after walking away—so she pulls his mask to see him. Others have to pull him off woman—who defiantly flashes the peace sign. An ambulance was soon seen entering the facility to treat the woman’s injuries. The incident occurred at the ICE processing facility in the Chicago suburb of Broadview, Illinois

Make note of the highly trained professional agent flipping off the protester.

Now let’s talk about how the mean tweets about Charlie Kirk are causing a civil war, shall we?

Groceries

When I woke up this morning, you were on my mind

“It’s such an old-fashioned term but a beautiful term: groceries,” Donald Trump riffed back in April. “It sort of says a bag with different things in it.”

“Groceries” was on Trump’s mind as though he’d just discovered the word. Groceries are apparently still on the minds of people more familiar with the term, its usage, and their rising costs. Over half of Americans say grocery costs are a major source of stress, per this report from Los Angeles.

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I’ve mentioned my ARE YOUR GROCERIES CHEAPER? sign a couple of times, including how one Trump supporter stopped on a bridge to yell that my sign was “retrarded.”

I get a lot of positive feedback on the overpass, but even a nonpolitical message about grocery costs rubs some people the wrong way. What I got while displaying the groceries message was three middle fingers out of three windows of one car! They know what Trump promised them, what they voted for, and what they didn’t get. And they really, really, hate being reminded.

More from The Daily Show here.

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