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Going Back To Church

by digby

I think this is good news, but I’m not entirely sure:

Is the Christian right finished as a political entity? Or, more to the point, are principled Christians finished with politics? These questions have been getting fresh air lately as frustrated conservative Christians question the pragmatism — defined as the compromising of principles — of the old guard. One might gently call the current debate a generational rift. The older generation, represented by such icons as James Dobson, who recently retired as head of Focus on the Family, has compromised too much, according to a growing phalanx of disillusioned Christians. Pragmatically speaking, the Christian coalition of cultural crusaders didn’t work. For proof, one need look no further than Dobson himself, who was captured on tape recently saying that the big cultural battles have all been lost. Shortly thereafter, in late March, Christian radio host Steve Deace of WHO Radio in Iowa aggressively interviewed Tom Minnery, head of the political arm of Focus on the Family. Minnery, whom Deace described as “the Karl Rove of the religious right,” accused Deace during the interview of ambushing him when he had expected a chat about Dobson’s legacy. Indeed, Deace was loaded for bear — or Pontius Pilate. It wasn’t exactly a Limbaugh-Obama matchup, but it was confrontational, and corners of America’s heartland and Bible Belt have been buzzing ever since. Deace’s point was that established Christian activist groups too often settle for lesser evils in exchange for electing Republicans. He cited as examples Dobson’s support of Mitt Romney and John McCain, neither of whom is pro-life or pro-family enough from Deace’s perspective. Compromise may be the grease of politics, but it has no place in Christian orthodoxy, according to Deace. Put another way, Christians may have no place in the political fray of dealmaking. That doesn’t mean one disengages from political life, but it might mean that the church shouldn’t be a branch of the Republican Party. It might mean trading fame and fortune (green rooms and fundraisers) for humility and charity. Deace’s radio show may be beneath the radar of most Americans and even most Christians, but he is not alone in his thinking. I was alerted to the Deace-Minnery interview by E. Ray Moore — founder of the South Carolina-based Exodus Mandate, an initiative to encourage Christian education and home schooling. Moore, who considers himself a member of the Christian right, thinks the movement is imploding. “It’s hard to admit defeat, but this one was self-inflicted,” he wrote in an e-mail. “Yes, Dr. Dobson and the pro-family or Christian right political movement is a failure; it would have made me sad to say this in the past, but they have done it to themselves.” For Christians such as Moore — and others better known, such as columnist Cal Thomas, a former vice president for the Moral Majority — the heart of Christianity is in the home, not the halls of Congress or even the courts. And the route to a more moral America is through good works — service, prayer and education — not political lobbying.

It may be true that the conservative Christians, specifically conservative evangelicals, are retreating from “worldly” politics. Historically, that’s been their stance more often than not.
And this idea has been brewing for some time. Here’s a book review from a couple of years ago in Christianity Today:

The unfolding story of American evangelicals’ involvement in politics has a certain rhythm to it. Like a pendulum swinging from one extreme to another, evangelicals have swung from a kind of pietistic stance of withdrawal and suspicion to a strident, triumphalistic program for “taking America back for God.” The Myth of a Christian Nation, a new book by St. Paul pastor and former professor at Bethel College Greg Boyd, provides a sign that the pendulum might be headed back the other way. But first we need to first appreciate the story thus far. Once upon a time, evangelicals considered the Great Commission their primary mission and calling. What mattered was eternity. What was most urgent was the salvation of souls. While evangelistic work was often attended by charity and acts of mercy, few evangelicals could justify expending energy on “worldly” tasks such as politics. In the early 1970s, some influential voices began to argue that this understanding of the church’s calling was truncated. In particular, Ron Sider and Jim Wallis argued for a more holistic approach to the gospel, noting that Jesus’ model for ministry attended to concrete, “worldly” matters of poverty and illness as occasions for redemption (Luke 4:14-20). At the same time, Richard Mouw, from a Reformed perspective, invited evangelicals to see the dualism of the status quo: that their concern with souls and eternity ignored God’s affirmation of the goodness of bodies and the temporal world. By ignoring politics and culture, evangelicals were unwittingly giving over these spheres of creation to forces of distortion and destruction, rather than redemptively redirecting them. Mouw invited evangelicals to take up the cultural mandate as a complement to, and expression of, the Great Commission. But a funny thing happened on the way to the Capitol. If Wallis, Sider, and Mouw were trying to pull evangelicals away from their isolationism, they likely didn’t anticipate the way in which the pendulum would swing the other way. In fact, evangelicals today have became such zealous converts to the cultural mandate that one can argue it has nearly trumped the Great Commission. Christian leaders spend more time worrying about activist judges, Venezuelan dictators, and constitutional amendments than their forbears could ever have imagined. Devoting themselves to political strategizing and superintending the machinations of government, evangelicals have so embraced participation in the “earthly city” that one wonders whether they’ve lost their passport to the City of God. Or worse: Some suspect that evangelicals in America have collapsed the two, confusing the City of God with America as a city set on a hill. And so we have Boyd’s book. Boyd’s intervention into the discussion is welcome. He is bold (1,000 members of his congregation left after hearing the sermons that gave birth to the book), passionate, and discerning, while still attempting to be charitable. Boyd doesn’t pull punches, denouncing the nationalistic “idolatry” of American evangelicalism, which often fuses the cross and the flag. “Because the myth that America is a Christian nation has led many to associate America with Christ,” he writes in his introduction, “many now hear the Good News of Jesus only as American news, capitalistic news, imperialistic news, exploitive news, antigay news, or Republican news. And whether justified or not, many people want nothing to do with it.”

So, this alleged retreat from the world isn’t really new, but merely the pendulum swinging back the other way.
As a liberal, I’d obviously be very happy if the social conservatives stick to private conversion rather than public coercion. The reason I’m not sure this latest skirmish is good news is that I’m not entirely convinced that the new generation isn’t simply shoving aside the elders in order to take the worldly power for themselves. And it’s very hard for me to see the Republican party simply giving up the organizing clout that the churches have brought them without putting up a fight. I guess we’ll see.However, more power to them if this is the way they plan to go forward. I have no problem with religion going out there and making its pitch. If people choose to follow them, that’s certainly their right. My beef with the Christian Right has always been their desire to use the state to enforce their Biblical instruction and with the conflation of religion and patriotism which made any dissension against religion or the flag into both heresy and treason. If they are now taking the private over the public road, then we can all get along just fine.

Lucky Duckies

by digby

CNN’s week-end “money” show did a story on how the recession is affecting people in California. They interviewed an 84 year old waitress. That’s right, an 84 year old waitress:

Professor Michael Shires: Right now it comes down to fear…

Thelma Guttierez: Fear for people like Mildred Copeland, who’s 84 and still waiting tables after 34 years.

Shires: Unlike the recession in the early 90s that was driven by the collapse in aerospace, employees from all sectors of the economy feel like they’re at risk of losing their jobs.

Guttierez: Already tens of thousands have lost their jobs this year. In February, unemployment in California reached 10.5 percent and going up.

Shires: most of the projections get us up somehwere around 12 percent between now and this time next year.

Guttierez: That translates to loss of nearly a million jobs in the golden state, according to economic forecasts.

84 year old Mildred Copeland (video) : Would you like hash browns or home fries?

Guttierez: Bad news for Mildred. She’s eager to hold on to her job.

Mildred: You get to a time in your life where you say well, I can sit back and relax a little bit and not have to worry, but it’s not like that.

Guttierez: Especially for California homeowners. The state has the third highest foreclosure rate in the nation, with 1 in every one hundred and sixty five homes in foreclosure. But that’s not something Mildred has to worry about. Her home is paid for.

Mildred: I thank God every day.

Guttierez: for what?

Mildred: For my job and a home that’s paid for. That’s one thing I don’t have to worry about.

It’s shocking that in the richest most powerful nation in the world, an 84 year old woman has to be grateful that she still has a job and a paid-for roof over her head. The CNN correspondents must have been shocked, as I was, to see this woman, bent over with osteoporosis, carrying plates and taking orders ar her age andwondered what had gone wrong in our society that such a thing could be necessary, right?

Well, not exactly:

Ali Velshi: That woman who you had in your story, the woman who’d been a waitress, I almost wonder whether people who live close to the edge, but don’t carry a lot of debt are not as affected by this recession. They’ve sort of been living in that state for a while. There’s not a lot of room they’ve had to fall.

Guttierez: Ali, you’re absolutely right. I think that’s the lesson here. You look at somebody like Mildred, she’s 84 years old. She’s still waiting tables, but she’s doing it to supplement her social security income. The most important thing here is that she has no mortgage..

Ali: right ..

Guttierez: She doesn’t have the monkey on her back that we all have and so she doesn’t have to worry. She feels that she can move through this crisis because she lives simply, she was able to pay off her house, and she doesn’t have the big worry so many people out there have, which is mortgage.

Velshi: We hear a lot of people talking about their grandparents who experienced the recession, or the depression and how they learned the value of a dollar. That might be the silver lining to this thing. We might have a new generation who knows how to stretch a dollar and how to stay clear of as much debt as we’ve gotten ourselves into.

Guttierez: Absolutely. And that’s Mildred’s point. You have to learn from this crisis. You have to take it to the future, you have to learn to live within your means, and make sure that you pay off that house and that you buy a house you can afford. She says that that’s really the way that she’s able to sleep at night.

Lucky, lucky Mildred. After all, she could be out of a job and then where would she be? I guess if we all play our cards right we too can be waiting tables when we’re 84. As long as we live prudently, of course, and make sure we don’t have any housing expenses at that age. Otherwise, it could get dicey — and we’d only have ourselves to blame.

Meanwhile, we learned that the most fortunate people in this recession are those who had nothing to begin with because they didn’t have so far to fall. (The real victims of the recession are Thelma and Ali who have jobs and the “monkey on the back” of mortgage payments.) These people at the low end of the economic scale like Mildred are used to being “close to the edge” and are actually much better off than everyone else because being poor is acceptable for them. They can sleep at night. Lucky duckies all.

Ali Velshi, by the way, was wearing what appeared to be at least a five thousand dollar suit as he piously lectured America about learning the value of a dollar.

The Eliminationists

by tristero

Last night, Dave Neiwert’s brilliant new book, The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right arrived. I’ve already read half of it and man is it a page turner of the first order. More importantly, it is essential reading if you want to understand clearly the danger posed by the likes of Limbaugh and Beck. Dave makes a convincing case that they are not mere buffoons whose eliminationist rhetoric can be downplayed or safely ignored, as it was recently in a disgracefully misleading front-page Times article on Beck. (Nowhere in the article did Brian Stelter or Bill Carter (or their editors) find the space, for example, to mention, as Dave does, that when he was on CNN Headline News, Glenn Beck publicly endorsed the John Birch Society or that Beck has continued to push Birchers in his new job on Fox.)

But Neiwert also points out that, to the extent that the term “fascist” means something specific, Limbaugh, Beck, and others are not exactly fascists (yet), although they have served as mainstream transmitters for various memes in circulation among genuine American fascists. Lest you think Dave’s trying to let these scoundrels off the hook, let me point out that Dave’s purpose is clear: we cannot successfully parry the challenges of the modern conservative movement unless we understand precisely what it is and how it operates. Neiwert proposes the term “para-fascism” to describe the movement and that seems about right. (I should note that I tend to think that the rightwing is more openly fascistic than Dave does, and although it’s a subject that I try to follow, I am hardly an expert and scholar of the Right as Neiwert and Chip Berlet, for example, are.)

Following Paxton, Dave writes that fascism feeds upon – thrives on – democracies in crisis. With that in mind, I had a frightening thought this morning.

It has often been noted that to the Right, 9/11 provided an opportunity to “get Vietnam right,” by invading Iraq and “winning” rather than ignominiously withdrawing. Despite the fact that by any rational metric, the Bush/Iraq war was an unmitigated disaster and the situation today is only slightly less anarchic than a Hobbesian State of Nature, it is a given among movement conservatives – and their enablers in the press – that the “surge” worked and “we” are winning in Iraq.

What if, I woke up thinking, the current economic crisis is perceived by the Right as nothing less than a splendid opportunity to get the Depression right? In fact, around the time Roosevelt took office, there were nationwide calls for a dictator to take over the government, a call Roosevelt wisely, and fortunately for the world, ignored. But according to the Right, both then and now, Roosevelt was a socialist, barely distinguishable from Stalin (!) and a class traitor who prolonged the economic hardship and established a godless, feminized, communistic America.

Perhaps the Right, in its typically delusional state, finds the current worldwide financial collapse a perfect opportunity to do today what Roosevelt derailed, ie, implement a dictatorship. They would then reason that for the political climate to be ripe for such a takeover, it would require that Obama fail and that the rightwing be held in no way responsible for that failure.

Suddenly Limbaugh’s publicly uttered wish that the president fail, the lockstep Republican opposition to Obama’s economic proposals, and the “disappearing” of the true cause of our woes – the spectacular incompetence of the administration of George W. Bush – from polite public discourse takes on a deeply ominous cast.

In any event, buy Dave’s book. It’s absolutely fantastic.

Putz

by dday

After all that sturm und drang, all the speeches about values, all the high-minded talk of massive debts and staying true to conservative principles, Mark Sanford chickened out.

Gov. Mark Sanford will comply with a midnight Friday stimulus deadline and become the last governor in the nation to seek millions of dollars in federal economic-recovery funds for his state, aides said late Thursday.

Sanford will continue contesting $700 million in education and law enforcement money for South Carolina, but his 11th-hour move to meet the deadline buys time for schools fearing mass teacher layoffs and draconian cuts.

Sanford’s month-long fight over stimulus money placed South Carolina in the national spotlight and put him at loggerheads with President Barack Obama.

“Tomorrow the governor is going to send the (Section) 1607 certification for everything except the stabilization funds,” Sanford’s spokesman, Joel Sawyer, said Thursday evening. “The governor will apply for that (additional) money if the General Assembly is willing to compromise and pay down some debt with it.”

They are all a bunch of frauds. Republicans won’t call him on it – they’ll consider him a big hero – but now every time Sanford tries to contest this or that provision of funds, lawmakers in his state can point to this decision. And laugh.

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Finger On The Button

by digby

I think one of the things I find most reprehensible about the Republican Party and their Big Money backers is that they think it’s ok to play Russian Roulette with the country (and the world) by nominating people to power who have completely inappropriate temperaments for it. George W. Bush, with his thin skinned, shallow understanding of the world, bottomless need for flattery, is a good case in point. Here’s another:

“He was angry,” one source said. “He was over the top. In some cases, he rolled his eyes a lot. There were portions of the meeting where he was just staring at the ceiling, and he wasn’t even listening to us. We came out of the meeting really upset.” McCain’s message was obvious, the source continued: After bucking his party on immigration, he had no sympathy for Hispanics who are dissatisfied with President Obama’s pace on the issue. “He threw out [the words] ‘You people — you people made your choice. You made your choice during the election,’ ” the source said. “It was almost as if [he was saying] ‘You’re cut off!’ We felt very uncomfortable when we walked away from the meeting because of that.”

Thune, Martinez and McCain communications director Brooke Buchanan disputed the idea that McCain lost his temper. “It was a spirited discussion, but this sort of incendiary-type way that some people are characterizing it just doesn’t fit at all the tone of the meeting,” said Thune. Regarding the use of the phrase “you people,” Buchanan said it was “in response to a question about people in general who had voted for Obama and was not meant to refer to Hispanics.” To imply otherwise is “character assassination,” said Buchanan. But, as National Journal notes, “one person’s straight talk is another person’s vitriol”:

But one person’s straight talk is another person’s vitriol. “My hands were shaking,” one source said. “I was nervous as no-end.” The senator’s comments went on for several minutes at least. And by the end of the meeting, another participant, who had supported McCain in last year’s presidential election, was so shaken by the display of temper that he decided it is good that McCain isn’t in the White House.

No kidding.

This was obvious to anyone who had been watching politics for some time. McCain and Bush, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Steele, all of them have “issues” in one way or the other. Indeed, the raps on Bill Clinton — that he needed people to love him too much and that he screwed around — seem positively inane compared to the violent, short tempered, intellectually hidebound freakshow that is the leadership of the Republican party.

PSAby digby
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Individualist Dittoheads

by digby

Funny:

Speaking of kings, Rush also had some unkind words for Larry. On his program last night, King said last night: “[Y]ou can be individuals as much as you like. … Somebody has got to think for the masses.” This set Rush off, demanding to know at what point in American history has anyone ever thought of the masses. Rush said FDR might count as an example, but look at how people lived under him. Rush expanded on this later on, saying that the “masses” are “you faceless dorks who can’t fend for themselves,” and “elitists” like King who demand that the masses be considered. (This from a guy whose fans proudly call themselves “dittoheads.”)

Slick

by digby

Following on of dday’s post yesterday about Colin Powell’s interview with Maddow, C&L now has up the transcript of the exchange on torture. It’s worth looking at in print, to parse his actual words:

RACHEL: On the issue of intelligence—tainted evidence and those things—were you ever present at meetings at which the interrogation of prisoners, like Abu Zubaida, other prisoners in those early days, where the interrogation was directed? Where specific interrogation techniques were approved. It has been reported on a couple of different sources that there were Principals Meetings, which you would have typically been there, where interrogations were almost play-by-play discussed.

POWELL: They were not play-by-play discussed but there were conversations at a senior level as to what could be done with respect to interrogation. I cannot go further because I don’t have knowledge of all the meetings that took place or what was discussed at each of those meetings and I think it’s going to have to be the written record of those meetings that will determine whether anything improper took place.

But it was always the case that, at least from the State Department’s standpoint, we should be consistent with the requirements of the Geneva Convention. And that’s why this was such a controversial, controversial issue. But you’ll have to go, and in due course I think we all will go, to the written record of what memos were signed. I’m not sure what memos were signed or not signed. I didn’t have access to all of that information.

MADDOW: If there was a meeting, though, at which senior officials were saying, were discussing and giving the approval for sleep deprivation, stress positions, water boarding, were those officials committing crimes when they were giving that authorization?

POWELL: You’re asking me a legal question. I mean I don’t know that any of these items would be considered criminal. And I will wait for whatever investigations that the government or the Congress intends to pursue with this.

MADDOW: There have been two Bush administration officials now who have said explicitly that what we did at Guantanamo was torture. One of them was the State Department general counsel for Guantanamo litigation, a man named Vijay—excuse me—Padmanabhan.

POWELL: I don’t know him.

MADDOW: Also Susan Crawford, who heads up the military tribunals at Guantanamo. Both have said it was torture. Do you think that they are wrong? Do you feel like you have enough information to know if people were waterboarded? Is that torture?

POWELL: I will let those who are making the legal determination of that make that judgment. Susan Crawford has made a statement and she is in a position of authority to make such a statement, has access to all of the information. The lawyer you mentioned who is working in, I guess, the legal advisor’s office in the State Department, but I don’t believe I know him, has made statements recently. What’s the basis for his statements and what meetings he was in and whether he was in Guantanamo, I just don’t know.

MADDOW: I guess have to ask that—just a broader question about whether or not you have regrets, not about what the Bush administration did broadly in the years that you were Secretary of State, but the decisions that you participated in about interrogation, about torture, about the other things.

POWELL: We had no meetings on torture. It’s constantly said that the meetings—I had an issue with this—we had meetings on what torture to administer. What I recall, the meetings I was in—I was not in all of the meetings and I was not an author of many of the memos that have been written (and some have come out, some have not come out). The only meetings I recall were where we talked about what is it we can do with respect to trying to get information from individuals who were in our custody. And I will just have to wait until the full written record is available and has been examined.

MADDOW: I don’t mean to press you on this to the point of discomfort but there is an extent to which there is a legal discussion around this where everybody feels a little constrained by the legal terms and whether or not they are a legal professional. There is also the policy implications that you’ve been so eloquent about, in terms of what the implications are of these policies for the U.S. abroad in a continuing way. And you’ve been very optimistic in thinking that America still has a reservoir of good will around the world that we can call on regardless of these difficulties that we’ve had around these issues.

If specific interrogation techniques were being approved by people at the political level in the Cabinet, it doesn’t—the legal niceties of it almost become less important.

POWELL: I don’t know where these things were being approved at a political level.

MADDOW: If there was a Principals Meeting at the White House to discuss interrogation techniques?

POWELL: It does not mean it was approved, anything was approved, at a meeting.

MADDOW: OK.

POWELL: It depends on did the meeting end up in a conclusion or was it just a briefing that then went to others to make a final decision on and to document. And so it is a legal issue and I think we have to be very careful and I have to be very careful because I don’t want to be seen as implicating anybody or accusing anybody because I don’t have the complete record on this. And that complete record I think in due course will come out.

Now Powell is saying that he can’t make a judgment about this because he wasn’t in all of the meetings. Of course, he could talk about the meeting in which he did participate, but he won’t. And then he retreats into excuses about legality and says he doesn’t want to implicate anyone else. Very, very slick. But he does say one thing that’s worth noting. He says the White house principals groups didn’t make the final decisions, which indicates that the decisions went all the way to the president. After all, Junior was the only “White House principal” who wasn’t in those meetings.

And like everyone from Cheney to Bush to Obama when he insists on using that awkward locution “America doesn’t torture” no matter what the question, he insults our intelligence with comments like this:

We had no meetings on torture. It’s constantly said that the meetings—I had an issue with this—we had meetings on what torture to administer. What I recall, the meetings I was in—I was not in all of the meetings and I was not an author of many of the memos that have been written (and some have come out, some have not come out). The only meetings I recall were where we talked about what is it we can do with respect to trying to get information from individuals who were in our custody.

It’s infuriating. They had no meetings on torture, only on “what is is we can do with respect to trying to get information from individuals who were in our custody.” Which was a discussion of techniques that any sentient being considers torture! And, in fact, it has been reported in more than one account that they actually had CIA people acting out the torture techniques for the White House principals.

As for Powell’s insistence that a complete record will come out in due course — why would that be? There are no official inquiries, no investigations, no hearings, no nothing. As a result, the “complete record” will undoubtedly be competing narratives of events and it will never be adequately settled. Nobody will be held responsible and our society will never have a “ruling” on the definition of torture and whether or not we prohibit it. And that’s pretty disturbing since torture was considered a taboo for many years prior to this recent decent into barbarity.

Colin Powell can pretend that he isn’t responsible because he didn’t make the “final” decision all he wants. But if he sat in meetings when they were discussing what any decent human being would describe as torture, and went along with it, then he’s as guilty as the rest. But then Powell has quite a history of involvement with barbaric acts, doesn’t he?

America’s Worst People

by dday

I mentioned that Congress passed a budget yesterday. In the Senate, the vote played out almost exclusively among party lines, with only two Senators – Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson – crossing the aisle. They are the two most conservative Democrats in the 111th Congress, by voting record (I would throw out Bayh’s record when he was musing running for President in the 2005-2006 Congress). And they didn’t only vote against the budget – they voted definitively FOR a motion to recommit, which essentially would have substituted this budget for a Republican version.

Enter Mike Johanns, the freshman Republican senator from Nebraska whose amendment preventing the Senate from passing climate change legislation through the reconciliation process passed on Tuesday.

He also authored a different measure–not an amendment, but a “motion to recommitt”–which would have scrapped the budget that passed and replaced it with a much more conservative version. Most significantly, it would have indexed non-defense, non-veterans discretionary spending to the expected rate of inflation. It failed 43-55–for all intents and purposes a mirror image of the vote on the final budget resolution. Which is to say that Bayh and Nelson voted for the “Johanns Budget”.

So how did these two Republicans, who voted affirmatively for a Republican budget, justify their votes? They said it costs too much.

Nelson defended his vote in a prepared statement:

“The administration inherited a lot of red ink in this budget, along with our ailing economy. But this budget still has trillion dollar-plus deficits in the next two years, and adds unsustainably to the debt. These are tough times, and the federal government needs to take a lesson from American families and cut down on the things we can do without.

I respect the Administration offering an honest budget…but it just costs too much.”

Similarly, Bayh issued a statement saying he opposed the budget in an attempt to be the voice of “fiscal responsibility“:

“[U]nder this budget, our national debt skyrockets from $11.1 trillion today to an estimated $17 trillion in 2014. As a percentage of our gross domestic product, it reaches a precarious 66.5 percent. The deficit remains larger than our projected economic growth, an unsustainable state of affairs. This budget will increase our borrowing from and dependence upon foreign nations. I cannot support such results. We can do better, and for the sake of our nation and our children’s future, we must.”

These same two Senators, the ones whining and crying about fiscal responsibility, voted last night to shield millionaires from taxes on their estates, costing the government $250 billion dollars.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate has voted to cut taxes on multimillion-dollar estates as it gets ready to pass a budget backed by President Barack Obama.

By a 51-48 vote, the Senate embraced a nonbinding but symbolically important amendment by Arkansas Democrat Blanche Lincoln and Arizona Republican Jon Kyl to exempt estates up to $10 million from the estate tax. Estates larger than that would be taxed at a 35 percent rate.

Tim Fernholz has more on this nonsense, including the good news that this will likely never make law. But let’s just soak in this for a minute. The two ConservaDems who voted against the budget on the grounds of fiscal responsibility voted to give a handout to families with estates over $7 million dollars. Tremayne at Open Left has a chart showing just exactly who this tax policy would affect.

Hard to see it, but those with annual incomes in the millions are represented by the vertical red line on the left and those making less than a million (i.e., almost everyone) are the horizontal red line on the bottom. Lincoln and Kyl are concerned about the people on the vertical red line.

So are Bayh and Nelson, America’s worst people.

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Again?

by digby

Uhm, am I the only one getting a little bit alarmed by these daily stories of random gun rampages all over the country?

I realize we cannot even discuss this situation in terms of the weapons these people use or risk having the gun rights community get upset, but is there anything that can be done about this? The body count is really starting to add up.

Authorities are at the scene of a building in Binghamton, New York, where there are “multiple” shooting victims and hostages are being held, a county spokesman said.

Broome County Director of Emergency Services Brett Chellis said there is an “active” shooting situation at the American Civic Association, and that several law enforcement agencies are at the scene.

Chellis did not provide numbers of victims or hostages, and had no further details.

Pressconnects.com, a local media Web site, said at least four people were shot and about 20 people had been taken hostage.

Binghamton is about 75 miles south of Syracuse, New York.

According to the United Way of Broome County Web site, the civic association assists immigrants and refugees with immigration and personal counseling, resettlement, citizenship, family reunification.

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