As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him “a man I love.”
Clinton spoke briefly before Graham’s sermon and recalled how the man known as America’s pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.
“I was just a little boy and I’ll never forget it,” said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (search). “I’ve loved him ever since. God bless you, friend.”
Graham called the Clintons “wonderful friends” and “a great couple,” quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow “his wife to run the country.”
Looks like “the man known as America’s pastor ” is stumping for Beelzebub.
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It won’t fool the evangelical voters. They know who and what Clinton is. They know a revival isn’t about social justice. It just shows how clueless the Clintons are to think that what you talk about in church is racism and politics. That’s what they talk about in “liberal” churches -the heck with Jesus.
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Graham called the Clintons … “a great couple”
“He’s a great serial adulterer and, my gosh, what a stunning power-drooling succubus she is!”
Just providing translation…
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“The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain”
That explains it.
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With all due respect, Mr Graham, if Bill Clinton doesn’t “allow” his wife to run the country she will crash his Sunday morning sermon with a herd of Code Pink heffers and bitchslap’m upside head with a lamp.
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You’re right. It really was a shameful thing to do. If Billy Graham has lost a few of his marbles, you would at least THINK that his son, Franklin, might have steered dear old dad away from hosting these reprobates on “his” stage. What an utterly dreadful message that sent. What an embarrassing way to end his evangelizing career.
He should have quit while he was ahead, because I really believe that a lot of evangelicals are going to be very upset about this.
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Why in God’s name are they(Clinton’s) there! Isn’t that like Satan going to mass? Hitler going to a Jewish Deli?
These Clinton’s have no shame. Two of the most Godless creatures that walked this earth and their getting face time with a Christian hero.
—- It is very much my honest opinion that alot of elderly people make the stupidest comments of their lives during the last one or two years here on earth. I think Mr. Graham has joined that unfortunate club.
— Remember how Killery The Killster said, right after the ’04 election results, “I’ve always been a praying person?” She got the message loud and clear about red staters…….and so now, here we see this blatantly AMORAL, non-religious couple playing the evangelist fiddle, trying to keep time with the new music to their ears!……what utter gall these two vultures have!
This is just too much! I’m prostrate with fury at how they get away with their travelling circus act!
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Of course Schummer spoke
What was that antiChristian smuck doing there? I wouldnt care if he was there. We all need Christ – but between that man, Biden and Hillary – every single thing Christians stand for would be ripped apart at the seems and we would begin to see the outright oppression of Christians in this nation. We already see that oppression in the selection process which he is part of.
And then, of course, there are the deep theological discussions:
Nah … I’ve got a few skeletons of my own – things I’m not proud of.
I had the advantage of NOT coming from a dysfunctional family, nor willing to do anything for fame or fortune. Having said that, I still don’t walk on water.
I believe that all will bend their knee to Him. Of those that are in heaven there will be favorites. Not all will have the same status. God sees through us. If Bill slips in, he won’t have the stature he has on this earth. I’m sure BG will do well in heaven. He has been faithful. No scandals. No cheating on his wife. No money scandals etc.. BG has really lead a clean life and so humbly.
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Honey, the fact that you admit those skeletons is positive and shows the fruit of repentance.
Not sure about the favorites deal, though. God isn’t a respecter of persons; He died for everyone’s sins and was raised for everyone’s justification. All sin is worthy of death, but because of the sacrifice of Jesus, we are all cleansed. Top to bottom. All wrongs made right.
I’m not proud of my crap either, but I know that I am forgiven.
—- Don’t be too sure that he doesn’t have His favorites … John was His “beloved disciple”. Enoch and Elisha did NOT experience a physical death. Notice later in Revelation where depending on things … it’s easy to see how the 12 disciples and certain folks in the Old Testament will be helping Him rule heaven.
He loves ALL but sum have served Him better than others while on this earth. They will be rewarded accordingly otherwise He would not be a just God.
It’s very tempting to make fun of these college Republicans because they are such earnest little shitheads:
Me: What makes you conservative?
SG: Really It’s b/c I believe in freedom…the freedom to live your life, really. …I believe in free market, free enterprise…I think we should have a right to do what we want. Gov’t. should play as little a role as possible.
Me: Where is the campus conservative movement headed?
SG: I think the conservative movement is headed in the RIGHT direction (haha) …in 3 diff ways. 1) children of the Reagan generation, which ultimately inspires more conservative parenting. 2) I think most ppl believe in the same things I believe in.
3) Because I believe in the same things most people believe in, which is right.
However, it is a big mistake to treat these kids as anything but what they are — the next generation of Republican strategists and operative. This is because the current generation of Republican strategists and operatives came right out of the college Republicans and I have no doubt that those waiting in the wings were trained at their feet. If you want to know where they learn their shit, it’s here.
They cut their teeth playing dirty tricks on each other (see Perlstein’s “Before The Storm”: Blackwell, Morton, 1964 GOP Convention) and then go on to playing dirty tricks on Democrats. It’s kind of adorable in a Rottweiler puppy kind of way. Here’s a rundown from last week of the College Republican chairman race:
One of the most controversial solicitations carried the letterhead “Republican Headquarters 2004” and asked for $1,000 “because you have been such a patriot, a Republican stalwart and a loyalist to President Bush and the GOP agenda.” The letter was signed by “Paul Gourley, National Director.”
Gourley said that he never saw the letter until it was posted on a blog, and that he never approved either the content or the use of his name. He, Hoplin and others in national headquarters led a long negotiation to end the contract with Response Dynamics, he said.
Davidson’s platform calls for the College Republicans to “align our fundraising practices with our principles.”
Davidson declines to publicly criticize Hoplin and Gourley. But a pro-Davidson blog titled “CRNC Chatter: Truth Fears No Trial” declared: “Paul Gourley was the one who signed the fundraising letters that has brought this organization so much negative attention.”
Meanwhile, the pro-Gourley “CR Veterans for Truth” ran a statement from Rhode Island College Republican Chairman Pratik Chougule charging that the Davidson campaign is spreading lies about Gourley. “I was mislead into changing my support,” Chougule said. ” I discovered that it was given to me from a Davidson insider.”
Of course, we are now dealing with layers and layers of dirty tricks operations, most of them the brainchild of Morton Blackwell. The college Republicans with their “Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder” t-shirts are too mainstream for the kind of work that needs to be done on campus these days. This is his new baby:
One recent Sunday, at Morton Blackwell’s Leadership Institute, a dozen students meet for the second and final day of training in grass-roots youth politics. All are earnest, idealistic and as right wing as you can get. They take careful notes as instructor Paul Gourley teaches them how to rig a campus mock election.
It’s nothing illegal — no ballot stuffing necessary, even at the most liberal colleges. First you find a nonpartisan campus group to sponsor the election, so you can’t be accused of cheating. Next, volunteer to organize the thing. College students are lazy, and they’ll probably let you. Always keep in mind that a rigged mock election is all about location, location, location.
“Can anyone tell me,” asks Gourley, a veteran mock electioneer, “why you don’t want the polling place in the cafeteria?”
Stephen, a shy antiabortion activist sitting toward the rear of the class, raises his hand: “Because you want to suppress the vote?”
“Stephen has the right answer!” Gourley exclaims, tossing Stephen his prize, a copy of Robert Bork’s “Slouching Toward Gomorrah.”
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Blackwell says conservatives are underdogs on college campuses. Conservative students may be better organized, but they’re still outnumbered. The Leadership Institute contends that liberal higher education is robbing the conservative movement of new blood — and thereby handicapping the institute’s efforts. “You know, the most conservative students are the freshmen,” Blackwell told me. “There is an acculturation there.”
And that’s where the institute is taking its fight. For most of its 25-year history, it has focused on grooming students to work in conservative politics; it’s now increasingly devoting its efforts to making campuses more conservative places. Through its Campus Leadership Program, the institute is leading a growing effort to found and support a national network of conservative student groups and publications capable of permanently altering the intellectual and social environment of universities to conservatives’ advantage. That goal alone is a stark rejection of the standard conservative complaint that post-Vietnam War higher education is not just grossly liberal, but irredeemably so. Already, the program has shown considerable success. Asked about his campus initiative, Blackwell simply says, “You’re talking about the major project for the rest of my life.”
The College Republicans are now too high profile to be doing the kinds of serious work that needs to be done to dismantle the last remaining institution that isn’t radically right wing. They needed a couple of degrees of separation and Old Mort was just the guy to do it:
“You can get away with stuff that you would take a lot of flak for doing in the College Republicans,” says CLP director Dan Flynn. “Because we’re independent, we can do activities that push the envelope,” agrees University of Miami senior Sarah Canale, whose CLP-organized Advocates for Conservative Thought threw an affirmative action bake sale last year in which the price of a cupcake varied according to the race of its buyer. That it was controversial, she believes, was a victory in itself.
Oh, and by the way, the guy who was teaching the students about suppressing the vote at the “non-partisan” Leadership Institute class and who signed the fundraising letter bilking little old ladies of thousands of dollars, Paul Ghourley?
As of yesterday, he is the new president of the College Republicans. Meet the next Karl Rove. Same as the old Karl Rove.
Here’s a shout out to the blogosphere. In their usual fealty to Stalinist tactics, the College Republicans have removed a document from their site called “The History of the College Republicans.” It was there fairly recently when I was writing about the Abramoff, Norquist scandals. It’s a pdf file that was referenced by quite a few other sites, although I can’t seem to find it replicated in its entirety.
I am, admittedly, naive and I didn’t download the file, merely bookmarked the link. My bad. Does anyone out there have it? This was the link:
It was a fascinatingly candid rundown of all the big names who got their start in the College Republicans, with a particular emphasis on the legendary trio of Abramoff, Norquist and Reed. It’s no wonder they don’t want to draw attention to their affiliation with crooks — and that requires obliterating their entire history, I understand that.
I’ve been reading around the blogosphere this morning quite a bit of advice that the Democrats should ignore Rove’s comments. That by responding we are “playing into his hands” and “doing exactly what he wants us to do.” I would reiterate what I wrote below and say that Karl’s not playing chess; he’s playing dodgeball.
Neither did Rove invent this technique of derisively referring to Democrats as liberal hippie fags and dykes. Republicans have been doing this for a long, long time. As long as we’ve been losing they’ve been doing it with gusto.
Dukakis didn’t respond. Gore didn’t respond. Clinton did respond, (although I suspect that the real reason it didn’t work as well with him was because his womanizing problems made it difficult to subtly label him unmanly.) They just spent a hundred million dollars calling Kerry a “flip-flopper” which in case you didn’t get it, was designed to make you think of a flaccid penis. These guys aren’t very subtle.
The truth is that to ignore this stuff it is to play into Rove’s hands. Because the whole point is to make us look weak. When you don’t respond when people call you weak, you reinforce the charge.
Now, how you respond is the real question. I would like to have seen some Democrats say “Karl, why don’t you say that to my face.” I’d like to see women like Hillary and Pelosi pull out the ferocious mother card and angrily say “how dare you say that I would recklessly put America’s children at risk the way you people have done!” No demands for apologies — veiled threats. Bring it on.
Or we could respond with laughter and eye-rolling derision designed to make them look ineffectual and silly. The Republicans are also very good at doing this. I can’t think of a single time we ever have.
This is ultimately about simple leadership archetypes. (The “gender studies set” will know what I’m talking about — king, warrior, lover blah, blah, blah.) And we are failing to embody them on a very basic level. Asking for an apology is better than nothing. Hitting back in simple ways that convey strength and conviction is even better. If we could come up with something more sophisticated that would work, I’d be all for it. But ignoring it is the guaranteed wrong thing to do.
Republicans are very successful at connecting with the primal instinctive feelings voters have about people in charge. We aren’t. It is their greatest weapon against us and it has nothing to do with policy or positioning or demographics. It has to do with the fact that a lot of people make their decisions about leadership on the basis of who looks the strongest. It’s primitive shit. And the Republicans strip it down even more simply than it has to be. There is some room for experimenting with this in innovative ways if we would just accept that it exists and work within it.
It’s very hard for me to believe that a party led by limp, myopic chickenhawks and closet cases is getting away with this, but they are. And they have for a long time. We are fools if we let it continue.
“Reagan is credited with engineering the downfall of communism and restoring a nation’s spirit.”
By whom? Grover Norquist and Peggy Noonan?
Go to the site and vote for anyone but him. Jayzuz.
Update: Ok, it’s been pointed out that St Ronnie will win because we are all splitting our votes. (And we’re supposed to be the Stalinists.) I understand that Washington is in the number two spot so perhaps we should all vote for him.
The good news is that the Party of Lincoln can no longer call itself the Party of Lincoln. Which is correct because they are actually the party of Richard Nixon who surprisingly was left off the list.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg a Republican running for re-election in an overwhelmingly Democratic city, issued a statement urging both sides to keep politics out of the war on terrorism. ‘We owe it to those we lost to keep partisan politics out of the discussion and keep alive the united spirit that came out of 9/11,’ he said.”
“Both sides” have made intemperate remarks about the war on terrorism.
Iraq is a central front in the war on terrorism.
Therefore, “both sides” should stop criticising the war in Iraq.
I watched the Rove interview on Scarborough last night and it’s quite clear that this is a coordinated public relations “rollout.” The Bush administration clearly believes that creating this controversy will result in turning down the heat on Iraq and boosting their prospects on other issues. I think they are counting on the press and the distracted public to see “partisanship” running amuck, which is how the Republicans have already positioned themselves for the ’06 elections. Bush and his speech condemning the Democrats as the “party of the stop sign” has already laid out the roadmap. But the immediate agenda is to rile up the base with red meat attacks on “liberals,” re-brand Democrats as wimps on national security and intimidate … wavering Republicans.
There are two ways we can play this. We can step back in the hopes that the Republicans will look like slavering beasts, or we can slug it out and see who comes out on top. The first is probably the instinctive reaction of the Dems because we keep relying on the public to “wake up” and realize what crazy fuckers we have running the country. But I think that works against us — they may look like slavering beasts but we look like a bunch of wilted pansies. No matter how crazy the Bushies are, wilting pansies aren’t an appealing alternative. I don’t think we have any choice but just keep pounding away. The Democrats really have one meta-issue that they must contend with — wilting pansy-ism. Everything else flows from that.
As Jeffrey Dubner pointed out yesterday, next week a Supreme Court justice is rumored to be resigning. And I think we know that things are going to escalate dramatically. Bush is going to nominate someone completely unacceptable and he’s going to do it for a reason — he wants the nuclear option. Rove pretty much said it last night on Scarborough. (I don’t know if the “gang of 14” will go along; they may decide that James Dobson on the Supreme Court is just fine.) The Republicans are going to spend this summer throwing red meat to their base and hoping that the voices of the noise machine drown out everything else.
This is Karl’s overarching theory of everything. Feed the base. Threaten and intimidate anyone who strays from the party orthodoxy. Demonize the opposition. That’s pretty much it. Oh and he’s also a big fan of the bandwagon effect, if you’ll recall. He thinks that if he can give the appearance of winning (which he thinks that a hopped-up rightwing base does) that a fair number of people will always jump on board to be with a winner. In the case of the press, he’s right.
His big problem right now is that he’s starting to lose Republicans, which is why they are escalating the traitor talk. If Republicans know what’s good for them they’ll stop airing any misgivings about Iraq or risk being lumped in with us liberals. Rove cannot let them start to drift off.
Like many Republican strategists, Rove was convinced that in order for any president to be “great,” he must have a war.(Reagan got to claim victory in the cold war which sufficed very well, thank you.) Certainly, Bush signed on to that theory:
One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.
Do you think he thought that up all by himself?
And the GWOT just isn’t good enough. It got the people behind him, but he needed the pictures with the invading army racing across the desert and the codpiece on the carrier and the big speeches to the congress. So, when Rove was consulted about Iraq, I have no doubt that he saw it as the key to victory for Bush in 04, and figured that the GOP could ride both 9/11 and Iraq for years. A war that never ends is a gift that keeps on giving.
The problem is that he didn’t realize that while people love a war president, they hate a president who loses a war. He failed to factor in the political price if things didn’t go well — or maybe he did and nobody listened to him, I don’t know. In any case, Iraq is now Bush’s albatross. It’s his war and he’s losing it. And the public is blaming him for it. For the first time public opinion is showing that more people believe that Bush started the war than Saddam. And he’s losing. Nothing could be worse — ask the last real Texan who sat in the White House, Lyndon Johnson.
Here’s what they are afraid of. When asked about whether they would support a draft, here are a couple of people’s answers:
One draft supporter said expanding the size of the armed forces might help move the Iraq campaign along faster.
“If we had more manpower in the Middle East we could get this over with,” said James Puma, a retiree from Buffalo, N.Y. “I’m a Republican, I’m with the president. But things in Iraq are not going good at all.”
However, Jeremy Miller, a sales manager from Denver, said the Iraq war is “a situation the president has gotten us into and should be able to get us out of” without bringing back the draft.
That’s a big, big problem and they are now reduced to Cheney’s “you can believe me or you can believe your lying eyes” defense while Rove claims that it would have been even worse if the liberals had had their way — we’re all Hanoi Janes, giving aid and comfort to the enemy and tying the military’s hands behind their backs with condemnations of their conduct of the war.
But as Harold Meyerson pointed out the other day, there are no long haired hippies in the streets and there are no street riots and the liberal enemy within looks remarkably like plain old everyday working Americans. The practitioners of political street theatre are the ones who put tape over their mouths with the word “life” written on it. The political revolutionaries are the ones who demand that the government intervene in people’s most private and complicated medical decisions. The easily demonized hippies of yesterday are a nostalgia show for kids, like the depression was to me. There’s a brand new group of radicals in politics and they certainly aren’t liberal. Which is why this has to be troubling as well:
According to the Pew poll, at this point more of the public believes the Republicans are too conservative on social issues (38 percent), than believe the Democrats are too liberal on these issues (35 issues). (Roughly the same pattern, incidentally, obtains in the public’s views on the parties and economic issues.)
Independents are particularly likely to believe Republicans are too conservative on social issues (38 percent), rather than that the Democrats are too liberal (29 percent). More generally, on a six point ideological scale (1=very conservative; 6=very liberal), independents place themselves (3.6) twice as far away from Republicans (2.8) as from Democrats (4.0).
Ooops. More people now think the Republicans are too conservative than think Democrats are too liberal on social issues. That’s the Schiavo effect and it’s yet another example of Rove making a mistake and overplaying to the base. Republicans would very much like to get people thinking of liberals as a bunch of cowardly peaceniks and conservatives as upright defenders of the nation again. One wonders if they will be able to do that if we have a huge Supreme Court battle this summer. This is a risky time for them.
But it was only a few short months ago that the administration thought they had finessed their war, through demonization of their opponent and anti-gay marriage initiatives, and got themselves re-elected. And they thought that because they had their war they had the political capital to do “great things.” Bush would be America’s Margaret Thatcher, with an even bigger codpiece.
But Rove was wrong. Bush had almost no political capital at all. His narrow victory, hardball tactics and “play to the base” strategy meant that he couldn’t get any Democrats to support his “bold” plan to privatize social security, which was rolled out immediately after the election as his signature domestic issue. This was the conservative issue that was designed to finally secure his place in the pantheon of great presidents — the book-end to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. (Tax cuts in a time of surplus, as in 2001, aren’t exactly “bold.”) But Rove failed to recognise that a tried and true political reality — that you can’t do “big things” without a huge majority in congress or bipartisan consensus — is still operative. And, of course, you don’t get political capital from a war that you are losing — you lose it.
These are all political decisions I’m talking about. They are decisions for which the alleged Magus, Karl Rove, is responsible. The jury is still out, of course, and he may yet succeed. But he didn’t actually get Bush elected in 2000 as we all know, despite having more money than God and the unified support of Republicans. 2002 wasn’t a huge victory either. (If one can assume that tradition holds, the party that won the previous election, which in this case was the democrat Al Gore, always loses in the first mid-term because of places where he had weak coattails. Jean Carnahan would be a good example of that.) They didn’t win big, even though we were just one year from 9/11 and Bush was heralded in the media as being the second coming of Alexander the Great. And in 2004, he had the massive power of a wartime incumbency and he still barely managed to pull it out.
A win is a win, so there’s little point in belaboring how narrow it was except to wonder whether Karl Rove’s feed the base strategy can keep on working forever in an environment where Bush is rapidly losing support everywhere else. At what point does it become a zero sum game in which he loses one voter for every loudmouthed wingnut?
I don’t know. Maybe never. But what I see happening right now is a concerted effort to shore up Republicans before the bottom falls out. Democrats — excuse me “liberals” — are the preferred whipping boys to get the GOP base blood pumping. And it is a very thinly veiled warning to any Republican who is tempted by these numbers to not play ball. This is Bush doing what he does best — putting his boot to the throat. Look at what they did to the hapless Bill Frist just this week:
Reversing field after a meeting with President Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Tuesday he will continue pushing for a floor vote on John R. Bolton for U.N. ambassador.
Frist switched his position after initially saying Tuesday that negotiations with Democrats to get a vote on Bolton had been exhausted.
Talking to reporters in the White House driveway after he joined other GOP lawmakers for a luncheon with Bush, Frist said: “The president made it very clear that he expects an up or down vote.”
Just over an hour earlier, Frist said he wouldn’t schedule another vote on Bolton’s nomination and said that Bush must decide the next move.
What an embarrassment. Bush “made it very clear” did he? Did he tell the majority leader of the senate to go to the naughty room? This was a very public rebuke to any Republicans who are thinking about defying Bush’s agenda.
That’s your genius Rove’s plan. Intimidate all opposition. Feed the base. Play chicken. It ain’t Machiavelli. It ain’t even Dick Morris.
It’s time for the Democrats to stop thinking so much about what Karl Rove is doing.He is not god. He does not have supernatural powers to control events. And he’s not hard to figure out. The only thing he ever does is rile up neanderthals by making Democrats look like wimps. Look at the campaigns he’s run. (It is the opposite with a woman candidate — he makes them look like man-hating harpies.) The whole schtick comes down to exploiting masculine and feminine archetypes. And he didn’t invent this. This has been the main political staple of the modern Republican party. He just does it with more relish and less decency than others.
We need to stop worrying about Karl and play our own game. And right now that’s keeping the heat on Iraq, stifling any SS plan (it’s important that Bush gets NOTHING) and continuing to fight back with fury and authority when we are unfairly attacked. The only way Rove’s plans ever work is if the opposition rolls up. Let’s not do that.
Rove’s comments — and the response from the political opposition — mirrored earlier flaps over Democratic chairman Howard Dean’s criticism of Republicans, a House Republican’s statement that Democrats demonize Christians and Democratic Sen. Dick Durbin’s comparison of the Guantanamo prison to Nazi camps and Soviet gulags.
I can hardly wait to hear the Gods of Mt Olympus, Gwen and David and Monsignor Tim, have a good chuckle over all this silly partisanship. But, we should not care what they think, ever.
Update II:
Did little Rickey have permission to stray off the reservation because his poll numbers are as bad as Bush’s? Or will he be sent to the naughty room too?
Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman said a litany of comments by Democratic elected officials and their liberal allies underscored Rove’s point. “It is outrageous,” he said, “that the same Democratic leaders who refused to repudiate or criticize Dick Durbin’s slandering of our military are now attacking Karl Rove for stating the facts. . . . Karl didn’t say the Democratic Party. He said liberals.”
I think the thing that gets me the most is this kind of insulting nonsense, particularly after enduring years of snotty whining about “what the definition of is, is.”
For the record, the president ran entire campaign last year on the premise that the Democratic party’s nominee was a liberal. He was chosen, pretty much without challenge after February, by Democrats throughout the land. More people voted for him than any Democratic nominee in history. I know it seems like years ago, but it was only eight months ago that the president was saying this sort of thing every single day on the stump:
THE PRESIDENT:My opponent now has a running mate. I look forward to a spirited debate. Senator Kerry is rated as the most liberal member of the Senate, and he chose a fellow lawyer who is the fourth most liberal member of the Senate. Back in Massachusetts, that’s what they call balancing the ticket. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: There is a mainstream in American politics and John Kerry sits on the far left bank. (Applause.) He can run from his liberal philosophy, but he cannot hide. (Applause.)
THE PRESIDENT: But you’re not going to have fiscal sanity if John Kerry is the President. He’s been the most liberal member of the United States Senate, which means he likes to spend your money. That’s what that means. Now, he can try to run from his record, but I’m not going to let him hide. (Applause.)
He isn’t the only one:
VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: On the core values of this great country, it’s a choice between our President, who has advocated and supported these values throughout his career, and his opponent, who is the most liberal member of the United States Senate.
VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY:But the problem has been, frankly, that the Senate Democrats including Senators Kerry and Edwards — have consistently supported that filibuster that kept Bill Myers off the 9th Circuit; kept Priscilla Owens, of Texas, from getting to the floor for a vote; it kept Charles Pickering, from Mississippi, from getting to the floor for a vote. Anybody that might disagree with their liberal philosophy isn’t allowed to come up to a vote on the floor of the Senate, and that’s wrong. (Applause.)
JOHN MCCAIN: And someday, the Democrats will be in the majority. And then the scenario would be, a liberal Democrat president, liberal Democrat judges-liberal judges, and great damage.
You can go to the link and find scores of quotes from Republicans in which liberal and Democrat are interchangeable and which it is claimed that John Kerry the nominee of the Democratic party for president is an extreme liberal. I think it’s pretty clear that when they are talking about “liberals” they are talking about the Democratic party.
And that’s just fine with me. The Republicans wear their “conservative” label with pride and go out of their way to claim it. It’s one of their strengths. We, on the other hand, run from the name they have turned into an all around epithet for their political opposition. There’s no getting away from it — that is a fantasy — so we might as well embrace it. I never stopped.
lib·er·al
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. 2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. 3. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. 4. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.
Karl Rove was talking about the Democratic Party. If Ken Mehlman wants to start distinguishing among us then it’s time to name names. Just who are the “liberals” who wanted to give bin Laden therapy?
I’m going to be very rude here and quote an entire post from Glen Smith on BOP. (Do click over to read the comments.) I think it’s important that people think about this:
Karl Rove’s un-American attacks on those who disagree with him deserve the condemnation they’re receiving. I’ve known him for 20 years, and I’m not surprised he said them. He’s a socially inept but patient thug whose willingness to haunt the nation’s dark political alleys for years, waiting for the right time and the right victims, is too often taken for unparalleled political intelligence.
Being attacked by Rove is a little like being criticized by the Boston Strangler. At least you know you’re alive. If we want to understand Rove, maybe we should get an FBI profiler.
Rove’s a hack. His strength comes from his immorality. There are no barriers. If power didn’t corrupt, Rove would have corrupted it.
I’ve been on the road in America for much of the last two years. I’m asked all the time about the need for Democrats to find their own Karl Rove. If we ever find such a monster in our midst, we should exile him.
I like the black hat Rove wears, but it troubles me that so many people believe he really is a political genius. He’s just pathological.
For years I’ve suspected that Rove is stuck in an adolescent rage, taking revenge upon the Civil Rights marchers (whose courage he couldn’t match), the anti-war organizers (who beat him), and those who believe in and struggle for democracy (who drove off Nixon).
I don’t recommend therapy for Bin Laden. But Rove might give Dr. Laura a call.
I am currently working on a project about Rove and have done a lot of research on how people perceive him as compared to his actual success. I agree with the assessment above. He is highly overrated as a strategist — indeed Democrats have imputed to him almost magical powers to shape events in the most complicated ways. It’s much simpler than that.
He is just someone who has no limits. And he has a client and a party that are willing to do as he advises. That is a powerful thing, but it is not genius. It is useful in elections, but it is a disaster in governance, as we are seeing. Brute force cannot accomplish every task, as any plumber or mechanic can tell you.
But barring a total meltdown, which is unlikely, Rove is going to be running the Republican party for some time to come. We need to start looking at this man realistically. The key is that the Republicans think he’s magical too.
Q Scott, just again on Karl’s remarks last night, when he talked about the indictments, was he simply reflecting the sentiments of the President, who, as we know, in many, many speeches, perhaps in jest, talked about referring to the terrorists as saying maybe they thought after 9/11, we would just file a lawsuit?
MR. McCLELLAN: The war on terrorism brought us, to our shores — let me back up, because the President — this was talked about at length over the course of the last four years, Ed.
[snip]
And I think all Karl was talking about last night was the different approaches to how you go about winning the war on terrorism. So, you know, some can try to make more out of it than they should, but he was simply talking about the different approaches.
Q So when the President many times in the past actually has evoked laughter from his audiences when he talked about they thought we’d just filing a lawsuit, was he saying that in jest or not?
MR. McCLELLAN: No, Ed. In fact, he was saying it with all seriousness, because if you look back to how things were dealt with prior to 9/11, people knew exactly what he was talking about. When we were attacked previously on our own shores, people were prosecuted.
Of course, it wasn’t exactly “filing a lawsuit.” It was a federal terrorist prosecution. And the perpetrators are locked up for life. We gave them due process and convicted them without any torture at all. There is no question of their guilt, the American people and the entire world have all the facts and we didn’t have to use the constitution as toilet paper to do it. What a failure. We should have picked them up, thrown a bag over their heads, rolled them in their own excrement and put them in a naked pyramid to blow off some steam. Perhaps then 9/11 could have been prevented.
And please don’t tell me that Republicans still think we should have invaded Iraq after the first World Trade Center Bombing. The nutball Myleroie cabal have said for years that Ramsi Yousef, the missing conspirator, is really an Iraqi operative under an assumed identity and Wolfowitz and Perle both blurbed her books about it glowingly. It’s total delusional crap and the fact that these high level Bush officials put their impramatur on it should have been a huge tip-off to the entire world that the Bush administration had some scary freaks in charge of the war machine. Fifty years from now they’ll still be insisting this nonsense is proof of a conspiracy and will probably be saying that martians hijacked the WMD on orders from Barbara Boxer.
As for 9/11, I think it’s just a little bit presumptuous for anyone to blame the criminal trials of the first world trade center bombings for it when the Bush administration didn’t think the August PDB was worth shortening the Pres’s vacation for. There is ample proof that Bush and the Iraq obsessed retreads didn’t give a busted fuck about terrorism until 9/11.
Oh, and by the way, we still don’t have Osama bin Laden even though the head of the CIA says we know where he is. And we can’t get him because it might upset some sensitive relations with “sovereign nations” which is really rich considering that we have put forth a doctrine that says we can invade any sovereign nation we please if we think a “threat is gathering” or “they hate us for our freedom.” It’s called the Bush Doctrine and it pretty much puts to rest any illusions anyone in the world should have about “sovereignty” or international law. Sovereighty and international law is what we say it is.
And can there be any doubt that Al Jazeera is broadcasting Porter Goss’ words all over the arab world and making the US Government look weak and ineffectual? Talk about giving aid and comfort to the enemy:
CIA Director Porter Goss says he has an “excellent idea” where Osama bin Laden is hiding, but that the al Qaeda chief will not be caught until weak links in the war on terrorism are strengthened.
In an interview with TIME magazine published Sunday, Goss said part of the difficulty in capturing bin Laden was “sanctuaries in sovereign nations.”
The magazine asked Goss when bin Laden would be captured.
“That is a question that goes far deeper than you know,” he said. “In the chain that you need to successfully wrap up the war on terror, we have some weak links. And I find that until we strengthen all the links, we’re probably not going to be able to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice.
“We are making very good progress on it. But when you go to the very difficult question of dealing with sanctuaries in sovereign states, you’re dealing with a problem of our sense of international obligation, fair play.
Yeah, that Republican “philosophy” on terrorism is very impressive. The mastermind of 9/11 is holed up in a “soverign country” and we know it, but we can’t do anything about it. Meanwhile, we have low-level nobodies down in Guantanamo being forced into excruciating immobile positions for 18 hours a day, sitting in their own urine and feces, being slowly driven mad. This is a very interesting interpretation of international obligation and “fair play.”
Amd of course, we have Iraq — the inexplicable war that nobody really understands, including those who willingly spew happy horseshit about “freedom and democracy” every five minutes — a war that’s costing us our future (to the tune of a billion a week) and the future of America’s kids, for no good goddamned reason.
So, please let’s talk some more about how liberals don’t know how to fight the war on terror. Tell us again how tough the Republicans are and how only they know how to protect the United States because all I’m seeing is fuck-up after fuck-up after fuck-up. In fact, what I’m seeing is the biggest non-stop fuck-up in American history.
But who knows, maybe they stomped their little feet and held their breath til they turned blue and insisted in no uncertain terms that bin Laden be denied “therapy and understanding” in his friendly sovereign haven. That’s what separates the men from the boys, my friends. Therapy.
And, by the way, here’s one of Bush’s quotes about “filing lawsuits” from 2002. Perhaps Democrats ought to arm themselves with this for when the Republicans start trotting out the “file a lawsuit” line:
I can’t imagine what was going through the minds of the killers when they hit America. Oh, they must have thought we were so materialistic and selfish, so self-absorbed that after September the 11th we’d file a lawsuit or two. (Laughter.)
But they found out that we’re thinking a little differently in America, and that when it comes to our freedom we will do what it takes to defend freedom. And I want to remind you all that this is a long struggle that’s going to take a while, that there are al-Qaida killers still on the loose. There are people who hate America, they hate what we stand for, they hate the fact that Democrats and Republicans both love our country equally. They hate the idea that we worship freely. They hate the concept that we debate issues in open. They hate freedom. They just hate it. And they are going to try to hurt us; they are.
That makes this Rove spew an official shitstorm. When a sanctioned “good Democrat” who is known for his support of the war and his moral rectitude says that Karl needs to apologise, the somnambulent establishment wakes up. (If only he’d step up on torture and presidential lying to get us into the war we might really get someplace.)
The big question is whether we are seeing miscues by the administration or whether they are simply trying to rile up the base to change the conversation. Some signs point to a tactical decision. Bush himself recently gave quite a petulant little speech recently in which he blamed all his troubles on the Democrats (I guess having a majority in both houses just isn’t what it used to be) — although he didn’t stoop to puerile Ann Coulter level snottiness as Rove did. The message is pretty consistent:
President Bush on Tuesday unleashed his harshest criticism yet on Democrats for thwarting his second-term agenda, demanding they put forward ideas of their own or “step aside” and signaling a more aggressive administration strategy of attack.
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Bush said the Democrats, in contrast, were employing a “philosophy of the stop sign” and an “agenda of the road block,” and warned: “Political parties that choose the path of obstruction will not gain the trust of the American people.”
He issued a challenge to the Democrats: “If leaders of the other party have innovative ideas, let’s hear them. But if they have no ideas or policies except obstruction, they should step aside and let others lead.”
Their timing is off, though, if this is by design. In the post below, I wrote that Durbin’s forced apology was just the most recent ritual humiliation of many.It’s a patented technique — outraged phony sanctimony over something obscure and misunderstood. It’s theoretically possible that because of the very recent strong-arming of Durbin, a very popular senator, that the Democrats are still smarting and have decided to pull out their big guns and go for it. I don’t know how many of you saw John McCain’s very smug and threatening “prediction” last Sunday that Durbin would apologise, but it was kind of chilling. It was obvious that the Republicans were going for blood, and they luckily found good old meathead Richie Daley to be their useful idiot for them.
For Rove to go after the Democrats so explicitly by saying that liberals wanted to give bin Laden therapy and understanding after 9/11 is throwing down the gauntlet. Those are fighting words and they know it. Check out the gaggle to see just how ridiculous it is to try to spin them. Also check out the video over on Crooks and Liars to see how nervous and flat Rove sounds. Perhaps he always sounds nervous and flat, I don’t know. But his remarks didn’t seem to penetrate to the crowd, so maybe the red meat isn’t working all that well. Or maybe it’s because he chose conservative New Yorkers who aren’t quite as convinced that liberals are all traitors. They likely know quite a few. In fact many of them are probably intermarried with them and everything.
The press looks like it’s willing to chase this story and the White House is acting very flat-footed. Look for Bush to dig in his heels, however. He does not like to be challenged. I suspect that yesterday’s Frist freakshow was a function of Bush simply refusing to accept reality. He had to jettison Kerik and I think he’s still pissed about it. Bolton is also his boy — a snarling bully. (How much do you want to bet that Bush would love to rip off that rug and rub that bald head until it shines? Just as a show of manly affection … and to make sure he knows who’s boss.)
If Rove is crumbling publicly, I’d love to see what’s going on behind the scenes in the White House. Social Security privatization, a Rovian pet project, is dead. The polls are showing serious weakness only 6 months into his second term. Being a lame duck for three and a half years would be excruciating, particularly with a dead albatross named Iraq around your neck. Let’s just say I don’t think they are able to “compartmentalize” very well.
Now’s the time for reporters who have so carefully maintained maintained their access, to call in some chits. This is when all the whoring is supposed to pay off — when things go to hell on the inside. I’ll be watching for it with bated breath.
In the meantime, it’s probably a very good idea to communicate with your representatives on this as Atrios and others are advising — and not just the Republicans. The Democrats also need to know that their constituents are behind them.
Or, if you’re so inclined, sign the Fire Karl Rove petition.
Update: According to John Aravosis, who is as astute about these things as anyone around, says this is a coordinated plan. It’s risky. They are going to try to bludgeon their way through these poor poll numbers and convince people that Bush is a great president because he is so tough and strong. The question is whether they can squeeze out one more drop from 9/11. My sense is that this is pretty thin gruel and the people are tired of it. We’ll see.