Conason:What’s the difference in the GOP from when you were growing up?
Wilson:If you’re fiscally responsible, this is not your party. If you believe in a moderate foreign policy characterized by alliances, free trade and the ability to operate in an international environment, this is not your party. If you believe in limited federal government, this is not your party. If you believe that the government should stay out of your bedroom, this is very definitely not your party. In fact, I would argue that unless you believe in the American imperium, imposed on the world by force, or unless you believe in the literal interpretation of the Book of Revelations, this is not your party.
The LA Times takes an interesting look at the recent Bush administration insider books from the perspective of what they say about the president’s leadership style:
President Bush styles himself as the first CEO president, applying the rigor and authority of his MBA education to the job of chief executive of the nation.
But that’s not the picture that emerges from three recent insider accounts of the workings of the Bush administration, experts in decision-making and presidential management say. On the contrary, they say, the president appears to have a highly personal working style, with little emphasis on systematic analysis of major decisions.
“There seems to be almost an absence of any analytical or deliberative process for mapping the problem or exploring alternatives or estimating consequences,” said Graham Allison, a professor of government at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.
And Bush appears to give greater weight to his own instincts than to experts or other sources of advice and information. The president has a “bias for action,” said Roderick M. Kramer, a professor of organizational behavior at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business. “I’ve been struck by [how] Bush’s sense of personal identity as a leader shapes his decisions,” he said.
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Greenstein said that one striking thing about all three books was what they don’t show. There are few examples, for instance, of Bush presiding over meetings in which subordinates presented problems, weighed evidence and aired differing views.
“I think a lot of policy is made on the fly,” he said. “It isn’t a process in which people assemble and go back and forth in a rigorous way.”
Another thing largely missing from the books was any indication that documents or memos weighing policy alternatives are circulated and discussed. Harvard’s Allison said one of the few documents the administration did prepare in advance of the Iraq war — the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate that concluded that Iraq probably had weapons of mass destruction — was quickly compiled and not very well done.
“The more it’s examined, it seems quite sloppy,” he said. “At this point, if there had been some good analysis of the issues on paper, we would have seen some evidence of it.
“The contrast with the textbook conception of informed decision making is distressing,” he said.
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Stanford’s Kramer said though Bush showed little interest in the kind of number-crunching analysis taught in business school, his style of management does conform to the popular image of chief executives as forceful and “decisive.” “There seems to be a lot of value attached to showing resolve and demonstrating resolve,” he said.
But Jay Lorsch, a professor at Harvard Business School and author of “Decision Making at the Top,” said the decision-making techniques taught at that school — from which Bush received an MBA — focus on understanding the nature of decisions, not simplifying them.
“What we teach around here is that you’ve got to understand the complexity of the territory you’re trying to affect,” he said. “You don’t make a decision until you’ve surveyed all the possible ramifications. The binary idea that you’re either right or wrong is just foolishness.”
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“He doesn’t like long meetings. He likes truncated meetings. That means you’re not going to have the kinds of sessions … that are going to bring in lots of different kinds of information,” Kumar said.
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“The decisiveness part is certainly there,” he said. “The imperviousness to facts and analysis is also there. So what we have is someone who is going on raw instinct.”
A corollary, Rockman said, is that though Bush likes making decisions, his organizational style is not very good at implementation or follow-up.
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“Bush appears to rest his confidence in a few people whose judgment corresponds to his gut instincts” he said. “He seems to be obsessive about being decisive, but willing to make hard and fast decisions on the basis of ideology more than evidence.”
Summary: A spoiled 12 year old is running the world.
David Brock’s new site Media Matters for America is great. I highly recommend that everyone read it regularly. For obvious reasons he has a flawless ear for the tunes of the Mighty Wurlitzer.
The best thing they’re doing, among many great things, is that finally, FINALLY, somebody is listening, transcribing and publishing the vomit inducing, delusional rants of Rush Limbaugh. This is such a beautiful thing that it brought tears to my eyes.
They listened to each show from March 15th to April 29th, a mere six weeks, and transcribed a long list of incendiary, divisive, racist, bigoted and mysogynistic remarks. Some of them are so depraved that not only can I completely understand why Stern is outraged at being picked out for obscenity, but I now understand where the wing-nuts in charge of prisons and POW’s in our culture get permission to exploit others with their sick little S&M fantasies.
Along with his usual puerile ranting about Femi-Nazi’s and revealing castration fantasies, it seems that Rush, like good Catholic Rick Santorum, is quite fascinated by the whole bestiality thing. In Rush’s case he takes in in a different direction, seeing the threat of girl-on-dog sex as the tittillating image he has to share with his feverishly wanking dittoheads:
11)Well, Rich Lowry has a column today, National Review Online, and Time magazine has just discovered that stay-at-home moms are women who have made legitimate choices to stay home and raise their young children — a cover story. Time magazine has headlined the case for staying home, and the magazine, according to Lowry, reports without sneering or condescension, the trend toward more new mothers leaving the workforce. Yes, it’s a trend. It started years ago when the feminist movement decided that their best friends were going to be German shepherds. You know. So that’s — well, it’s true. You go to the right airports and you can see it.
You see a lot of strange things when you’re on the nod. Pop enough little blue babies in the cab and you’re hallucinating hot Girl-on-Shepard action at airports.
His adorable characterization of Hillary’s “testicle lockbox” must surely make all those “decency advocates” who were shocked by Janet Jackson’s nipple sit up and take notice.
17) Now if Hillary does become Kerry’s VP, will she have to change her positions to be on the same page with Kerry or will Kerry have to change his? (laughter) Don’t forget that testicle lock box, folks. (laughter) Just as we haven’t talked about it in awhile does not mean (laughter) that it’s — that it’s been buried. [4/15/04]
18) If I were Bob Woodward, I would be on a lookout for Mrs. Clinton and her testicle lockbox, because she has just been snookered, like every other Liberal, by believing what Woodward says is in his book in these interviews, as opposed to what’s actually in these books, or this book, because it’s exactly what she claims she needs in an administration. [4/21/04]
That truly is what honor and dignity are all about. As I said, no wonder Howard Stern is pissed. (And no wonder Rush defended him.)
But, the really disturbing thing about Rush’s rants are the eliminationist rhetoric and charges of treason against the Democrats. This has been going on for more than TEN Years, day after day after day. It’s only a matter of time before somebody gets assassinated.
24) I’m going to tell you is what’s good for Al Qaeda is good for the Democratic Party in this country today. That’s how you boil this down. And it doesn’t have to be Al Qaeda. What’s good for terrorists is good for John Kerry. All you got to do is check the way they react. [3/15/04]
26) They [Democrats] celebrate privately this attack in Spain. [3/16/04]
27) I mean, if you wonder — if you want the terrorists running the show, then you will elect John Kerry, who is a bed brother with this guy who just won election in Spain. [3/18/04]
28) I’m telling you, we’re in the midst of a huge liberal crackup. They are so motivated by the quest for power. They are so motivated by rage and hatred, that they are not in power. And they focus that on Bush. That they have aligned themselves unwittingly — I’m going to grant them that — with those who intend harm on this country. [3/24/04]
29) You don’t hear the Democrats being critical of terrorists. In fact, you hear the Democrats saying, “We’ve got to find a way to get along with them.” [4/5/04]
30) Senator [Ted] Kennedy, a simple question. Does it please you to learn who your friends are? Does it excite you, Senator Kennedy, to learn that the militant, firebrand, murderer of American civilians and military personnel is on your side, Senator Kennedy? Does it encourage you? Does it invigorate you? Does it inspire you, Senator Kennedy, to know that a murdering Al Qaeda-related terrorist has taken up your argument for use against his enemy? How does that make you feel, Senator Kennedy? Does it embarrass you? Because it should. Or does it probably excite you and think you’re making headway now. You’ve got the enemy aligned with you. [4/8/04]
33) [Speaking about Democrats] I don’t know who they are, I don’t know what they believe, but I can’t relate. I can’t possibly understand somebody who hates this country, who was born and raised here. I don’t understand how you hate this Constitution. I don’t understand how you hate freedom. I don’t understand how you hate free markets, but that’s who elites are, because freedom and free markets challenge their power. It’s the only thing I can come up with. I know it’s much more insidious and hideous than that, but I still can’t relate to it. [3/16/04]
34) The Democrats believe that the presence of the US military is what makes the world dangerous. The Democrats, liberal Democrats in this country, believe, and have for a long time, that the U.S. military is the focus of evil, is the primary agent provocateur for all of this. That if we weren’t the way we are, the terrorists wouldn’t hate us. And if we weren’t as big as we are, if we weren’t as powerful as we are, if we weren’t as decadent — whatever. Well, they won’t say “decadent,” because they support that. [3/18/04]
35) [Daschle parody]: Hi and welcome back to the Tom Daschle Show… The country is suffering, and, ah — and we’re happy about that here at the Tom Daschle Show because it’s — while it’s bad for the country, it’s great for our party, and that’s what’s important. [4/5/04]
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40) This is why, folks, you cannot, we cannot entrust liberals with the defense of this country. They will not do it. They will not defend the American military. They will cut and run every time. They will not defend freedom. They will not defend this country. [4/7/04]
41) The Liberals put their party and their quest for power above national interests. They wouldn’t join with Reagan during the Cold War. Defended the Soviets. Tried to make Gorbachev the hero of the world. Iraqi freedom, George W. Bush. Then we had the situation down with the Contras in Nicaragua. Democrats did everything they could to support the Contras and their client state, the Soviet Union. We’ve got Iraqi Freedom. [4/13/04]
42) These people have become the mainstream thought — thinkers, generators of the Democratic Party. It’s who they are. They hate this country. They hate the military of this country. [4/15/04]
Day after day after day millions of people listen to this stuff. I can’t do it for more than a few minutes before losing my cool. I doubt that Howie Kurtz and other Limbaugh apologists who consider him “mainstream” ever listen to him either. They just accept him as mainstream because people like the Vice President of the United States appear on his show as if it’s perfectly acceptable to be associated with him:
Kurtz: Has Tom Daschle lost a couple of screws? Did the normally mild-mannered senator accuse Rush Limbaugh of inciting violence? He came pretty darn close. There were cameras there. You can watch the replay.
We can understand that Daschle is down, just having lost his majority leader’s job and absorbed plenty of blame for this month’s Democratic debacle.
What we can’t understand is how the South Dakotan can suggest that a mainstream conservative with a huge radio following is somehow whipping up wackos to threaten Daschle and his family.
Has the senator listened to Rush lately? Sure, he aggressively pokes fun at Democrats and lionizes Republicans, but mainly about policy. He’s so mainstream that those right-wingers Tom Brokaw and Tim Russert had him on their Election Night coverage.
Somebody ought to ask old Tom and Tim about that, too. Have they listened to this tripe? I’m almost more afraid if they have than if they haven’t.
But, it also seems to me that there is fear on the Right that they aren’t cracking “the mainstream” effectively enough. Perhaps it’s because the product they are shilling for is so incredibly defective that they are unable to completely co-opt even the corporate media. Just this last week, Dick Cheney exhorted a bunch of Republicans to watch FOXNews because it is more “accurate.” Ralph Reed said this week-end:
Twenty-five years ago, most people got their news from ABC, CBS or NBC,” Reed said in a speech Friday night to the Nevada Republican Party’s state convention. “Fortunately, that is no longer the case. The gatekeepers of dominant media have lost their monopoly on information.”
Reed told the crowd of about 250 Republicans that he has not watched a newscast of a major network in years.
“I get in the car in the morning and listen to Rush Limbaugh. On the way home, I listen to Sean Hannity. At night I watch Fox News,” he said.
That explains a lot. Of course, it’s nonsense. But it will be key to them getting out their brainwashed base. Otherwise, some Christian fundamentalists might see disturbing pictures of Americans doing icky sexual things to naked Arabs or the sight of flag draped coffins would make patriots start to question whether the cost is worth the gain in this vague “WOT” in Iraq.
In that sense, Rush Limbaugh is as mainstream in America as Hitler was mainstream in Germany, circa 1932. He’s the voice of a huge constituency of the Republican Party — the Party that holds all three branches of government right now —the Party that is bankrupting the country and fighting unnecessary wars for reasons they cannot explain to the American people.
But, his ugly talk still operates just a little bit under the radar in terms of specificity. I imagine the majority of people think they know what he is saying, but they don’t. Until you see it written down, you really don’t get just how vicious and crude it really is. His radio voice serves to make him sound somewhat friendly and funny. People think he is exaggerating for effect. Still, the message gets out, day after day. “Democrats are not real Americans like you.” This treasonous, unamerican picture of liberalism has seeped into the body politic so thoroughly that even liberals themselves have internalized this distorted version of themselves.
More than a decade of pounding away at our integrity has made many of us eschew the label of liberal, Democrat, feminist, civil libertarian etc. They may not have turned many of us into Republicans, but they’ve managed to turn a lot of us into Greens or independents by making the designation of “Democrat” shameful. We spend more time calling each other pussies and cowards than he does now. We are obsessed with changing ourselves instead of fighting them. We meekly take the blame for the nightmare that has descended on this country under Republican rule. They have already won half the battle by making us hate ourselves as much as we hate them.
I still maintain, however, that he and his ilk haven’t been able to eliminate the one thing we still have — reason. The faith based simpletons and cynics, whether it be Jerry Fallwell or Rush Limbaugh or Richard Perle can only count on reality being held at bay for so long. Death, terrorism, wars, joblessness, lack of healthcare, impoverished retirement — these things are real. You can tell people to watch the happy horseshit news on FOX and you can implore them to only listen to wingnut propaganda, but reality intrudes eventually. Unfortunately so much damage will have been done that we will probably never be the same.
And they are completely wrong about one thing. Rush says:
… these are the people that want to oust Bush. The people who remain skeptical of the fact that there is any difference between right and wrong, or good and evil. [3/17/04]
I am a liberal and a Democrat and I have no problem seeing the difference between right and wrong and good and evil. Bin laden is evil. Saddam was evil. Rush Limbaugh is evil.
See? Not a problem.
Update: A reader reminds me to give credit where credit is due to Orcinus for leading on this issue. Also, I should note that Joe Conason and Gene Lyons have been indispensible in exposing the right wing media machine along with many articles in Salon over the last few years. Still, it’s a big step forward to see a web site dedicated to exposing specific instances of Wurlitzer distortion on a daily basis, particularly Limbaugh. It will add tremendously to the debate.
A new group called Scumbags for Truth is going to issue a letter at a press conference tomorrow:
Hundreds of former commanders and military colleagues of presumptive Democratic nominee John Kerry are set to declare in a signed letter that he is “unfit to be commander-in-chief.” They will do so at a press conference in Washington on Tuesday.
“What is going to happen on Tuesday is an event that is really historical in dimension,” John O’Neill, a Vietnam veteran who served in the Navy as a PCF (Patrol Craft Fast) boat commander, told CNSNews.com . The event, which is expected to draw about 25 of the letter-signers, is being organized by a newly formed group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
“We have 19 of 23 officers who served with [Kerry]. We have every commanding officer he ever had in Vietnam. They all signed a letter that says he is unfit to be commander-in-chief,” O’Neill said.
John O’Neill, of course, is the Nixon stooge who’s been paid to come out of character assassination retirement to destroy Kerry’s military record. Here’s a picture of him with his mentor the convicted felon Chuck Colson and his hero the disgraced and pardoned Dick Nixon:
Haldeman: — crew cut, real sharp looking guy who is more articulate than Kerry. He’s not as eloquent; he isn’t the ham that Kerry is. But he’s more believable. [edit]
Haldeman: This guy now, is gonna, he’s gonna move on Kerry.
The White House encouraged O’Neill to challenge Kerry to a debate. Kerry agreed and before the event, President Nixon called O’Neill into the Oval Office for a pep talk. “It’s a great service to the country,?”declared the president.
Nixon: Give it to him, give it to him. And you can do it, because you have a pleasant manner, too, because you’ve got and I think it’s a great service to the country. [edit]
Nixon: You fellows have been out there. You’ve got to know, seeing the barbarians that we’re up against, you’ve got to know what we?re doing in that horrible swamp that North Vietnam is. You’ve got to know from all our faults of what we have in this country that, that what we’re doing is right. You’ve got to know too, people are critics. Critics of the war, critics of [unint], run America down. [edit] You’ve gotta know that you’re on the winning sthat, that you’re on the right side.
Two weeks later, the veterans squared off on the popular Dick Cavett show:
O’Neill: Mr. Kerry is the type of person who lives and survives only on the war weariness and fears of the American people. This is the same little man who on nationwide television in April spoke of, quote, crimes committed on a day to day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.
Kerry: We believe as veterans who took part in this war we have nothing to gain by coming back here and talking about those things that have happened except to try and point the way to America, to try and say, here is where we went wrong, and we’ve got to change.
(Amazing isn’t it? Same bullshit, different war. After the events of the last week, it looks as if we have merely refined our methods. The sadistic sexual humiliation techniques are truly a step forward.)
As for the Scumbags For Truth, (aka SoFT) John O’Neill proudly consorted with felons and liars to smear John Kerry then and is doing the bidding of their heirs still today. One would hope that his picture and the Nixon tapes would feature heavily in any rebuttal. They haven’t quite managed to finish the full Uncle Joe Stalin historical airbrush on Tricky Dick just yet. Their hands are full for the moment with keeping Bozo from going off the reservation and turning Dizzy Ron into a saint.
I hear a lot of complaining that Kerry talks too much about Vietnam and that it’s all in the past and we should move on and deal with more pertinent issues. I can understand that sentiment, particularly among those who are too young to have a stake in the argument. (It’s the way I used to feel about “who lost China” arguments.) But, as you can tell from the strangely familiar arguments above, Vietnam is just a proxy for a particular worldview that continues to be debated even 30 years later.
Progress is slow when viewed from the perspective of one life. Sometimes it’s one step forward, two steps back. A lot of things have changed since O’Neill and Kerry first squared off 33 years ago, but the argument about blind patriotism, government transparency and what constitutes a just and unjust war rages on.
I would suggest, however, that with 20/20 hindsight we know that John Kerry was not the one who was the liar in those conversations recorded so long ago. And we know who ended up as convicted felons and who did not. And we also know that unlike Kerry, in the 33 years since that confrontation on Dick Cavett that Nixon’s house boy John O’Neill has done nothing of note. Indeed, his only claim to fame in his entire life is as a GOP Swift Boat Stooge against Kerry.
It seems pretty obvious who holds the high ground on this one. I am betting this thing is going to backfire.
The diary is a fascinating read – not least because it documents the fact that as of last Sunday, one of the private contractors identified in the Army’s own internal investigation of the torture scandal was still at Abu Ghraib, and may still have been supervising or conducting interrogations.
The contactor’s name is Steven Stephanowicz, and he works for CACI International – one of two firms that have been publically linked to the abuses in Abu Ghraib’s high-security cell block.
“One of the five Britons recently returned to the UK from Guantanamo Bay has claimed that he was subjected to cruel and sadistic treatment by US authorities.
Jamal al Harith, from Manchester, told the Daily Mirror today that detainees of Camp X-Ray and Camp Delta had to face frequent beatings, prolonged periods of isolation and traumatic psychological torture.
The 37-year-old was held at Guantanamo Bay for just over two years after coalition forces brought about the fall of the Taleban regime in Afghanistan. The divorced father-of-three said that the behaviour of prison guards was a deliberate affront to Islam and exacted to offend and terrorise the detainees.
Jamal told the Daily Mirror: ‘The whole point of Guantanamo was to get to you psychologically. The beatings were not as nearly as bad as the psychological torture – bruises heal after a week – but the other stuff stays with you.’
Mr al Harith said that religious practises were often disrupted or even banned in order to punish and antagonise prisoners.
The most extreme of these claims centres around how guards would bring prostitutes into the camp to pose naked in front of prisoners, who were used to veiled women, and counter to Islamic practice.
He said: ‘It was a profoundly disturbing experience for these men. They would refuse to speak about what had happened. It would take perhaps four weeks for them to tell a friend – and we would shout it out around the whole block”
Hey, at least they didn’t force the prisoners themselves to pose naked and simulate fellatio for the camera. That we know of, anyway.
When I read this account last March, I thought it was bullshit. It seemed so nuts, especially the psycho-sexual sadism. But, since pictures prove that it happened at Abu Graib prison under the Americans and we now have pictures of it happening in southern Iraq under the British, I’m inclined to think this sick behavior might just be happening in Gitmo, too. There is either a common illness or a common method to their madness.
On the other hand, Colin “My Lai Cover-Up” Powell assured us that it was impossible:
“We have watched Guantanamo Bay very carefully knowing of the interest of a number of nations, including the United Kingdom, and knowing that we have responsibilities under the Geneva Convention and because we are Americans, we don’t abuse people who are in our care.”
Mr Powell said it was “not in the American tradition to treat people in that manner”.
“I am aware of the allegations which have been made today of the abuse of prisoners by British soldiers in Iraq,’ Britain’s most senior army officer, General Sir Michael Jackson said, referring to pictures published in the Daily Mirror.
‘All allegations are already under investigation.’
US President George W Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair have today condemned disturbing pictures showing the reported abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers at a prison west of Baghdad.
In a fresh blow to the image of the US-led coalition, new pictures to be published in Saturday’s Daily Mirror show British soldiers apparently beating a detainee, a suspected thief, with rifle butts, and urinating on him.
According to the newspaper, the prisoner was allegedly threatened with execution during an eight-hour ordeal, which left him bleeding and vomiting, with a broken jaw and smashed teeth.
The Daily Mirror said it was given the pictures by serving soldiers from the Queen’s Lancashire Regiment, who were horrified at the act depicted and concerned that ‘rogue elements’ in the army were undermining attempts to win the hearts and minds of local people in British-administered southern Iraq.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the soldiers told the paper that the unnamed captive, against whom no charges were brought, was driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle after his ordeal.
It was not known whether he survived, the newspaper said.”
URINATED ON: A British soldier urinates on an Iraqi prisoner in a vile display of abuse. The captive was beaten and hurled from a moving truck. Army chiefs are investigating.
The brutality of the repression – the death and torture camps, the barbaric prisons for political opponents, the routine beatings for anyone or their families suspected of disloyalty are well documented.
Just last week, someone slandering Saddam was tied to a lamp post in a street in Baghdad, his tongue cut out, mutilated and left to bleed to death, as a warning to others.
I recall a few weeks ago talking to an Iraqi exile and saying to her that I understood how grim it must be under the lash of Saddam.
“But you don’t”, she replied. “You cannot. You do not know what it is like to live in perpetual fear.”
And she is right. We take our freedom for granted. But imagine not to be able to speak or discuss or debate or even question the society you live in. To see friends and family taken away and never daring to complain. To suffer the humility of failing courage in face of pitiless terror. That is how the Iraqi people live. Leave Saddam in place and that is how they will continue to live. Tony Blair 3/18/03
Atrios and Josh Marshall note this new Orwell Jr talking point about critics of the Iraq war being racists because they don’t believe that “brown people” can govern themselves.
There’s a lot of people in the world who don’t believe that people whose skin color may not be the same as ours can be free and self-govern. I reject that. I reject that strongly. I believe that people who practice the Muslim faith can self-govern. I believe that people whose skins aren’t necessarily — are a different color than white can self-govern.
I don’t know what color “our” skin is, but I’m sure the other “people in the world” are relieved to know that the U.S. president, at least, thinks that people whose skins are a different color than white can self-govern. It’s just a little embarrassing that he has the mind of a 12 year old and actually thinks it’s such a huge insight that the leader of a multi-racial, pluralistic society believes such a thing. What’s next? Is he going to announce that he doesn’t agree with all those people in the world who think that slavery is good?
But, he is right about one thing. There are people who think this way. And they are the same people who persist in believing that Iraq and al-Qaeda were in cahoots on 9/11. And it’s not just Iraq, apparently:
Hey, Hosni [Mubarek, of Egypt]…until Arabs attacked us, most Americans’ feelings about y’all were pretty neutral. Now that you b*st*rds have invaded us and spilled the blood of our innocent brothers and sisters on our own soil, you’ll be finding out soon what destruction your hatred will bring upon those cesspools you call countries.
Taliban, Saddam, Next???
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I do hate Arabs as well!
I feel pity for a people who let some self-appointed cult leaders do their thinking for them. A mind is a terrible thing to waste!
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What Islamists of any persuasion don’t seem to get, their days are numbered. No more Madrasa’s, No more Bin Laden, no more oil money, no more 72 virgins, no more religious spider holes, no more Islam.
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If they don’t like it they need to renounce Islam or renounce their American citizenship and move back to an Arab country, so Americans don’t have to worry about them. They will be much safer. If another 9/11 kind of a terror attack happens, I’m afraid some Americans might start shooting Arabs out of fear for the safety of their families.
Yes. It would appear that some people don’t believe that those of “brown skin” should be self-governing. They are the same ones who don’t think those of brown skin should be allowed to vote. In fact, they are the same people who have a pronounced affection for brown shirts — the racist base of the Republican Party who look old Georgie right in the eye and see into his soul. No matter what happy horseshit he spews about self-governing brown people, they know he’s one of them.
“Their treatment does not reflect the nature of the American people. That’s not the way we do things in America. I didn’t like it one bit,” Mr. Bush said.
Was I supposed to be horrified by the report of Iraqi prisoners being positioned in “pornographic” positions and humiliated by American soldiers? I was not. During your report, all I could think of was the murder, torture, maiming, burning and beheading of innocent civilians, women and children included, carried out by terrorists and supporters of Saddam Hussein. At least these men were men of war.
They had to pose for pornographic pictures? So what. We cannot imagine sitting at home on our couches the horrors our soldiers must face every day. Why not focus your attention on the unfair practices of our enemy?
–Sally Ainsley
Woman soldier points at genitals of hooded and naked Iraqis
The little bit I have read about, it seems to me that it is being completely blown out of proportion,” said Roger Krueger, who served in Vietnam and is the chapter’s president. “When a person is in combat, they have to do whatever they have to do to stay alive.”
Two US troops pose with Iraqi prisoners piled on top of each other.
I’m sure there is more than one side of the story”:, and we don’t know all the facts,’ said Robert Hutcheson, a Cumberland resident and Allegany County commissioner. ‘In my mind, this is no blemish on their record.
Iraqi PoWs are forced to parade before their jeering captors
America has some good things to offer the world. Our Bill Of Rights may be the biggest advance in modern political history. We have tended to embrace progress, however painful, with more enthusiasm than many other hide bound cultures.
But, the character of our people is just as bad and good as any other. When Crusader Codpiece lectures the world about the justice of our cause being based upon our “goodness” he proves his simplemindedness once again.
These sickening pictures taken by some Americans and the pathetic rationalizing words of some other Americans show once again that the line between good and evil is not drawn between “America” and “the enemy.” It is drawn
Via Southpaw, we see that a Left Coaster commentor had the line of the day about President Senor Wences’ Fist appearance before the 9/11 commission.
‘Whenever Kerry publicly demands debates with George, he should be sure to insist that Cheney can’t come.'”
This is a great idea, but the punch line is exactly backward.
He should say:
“I’ve challenged George Bush to weekly debates, mano a mano, and he’s refused. Now, I understand the president doesn’t like to face tough questions all by himself. So, if he needs to bring Dick Cheney with him that’s ok by me.”
Like all glass jawed bullies, Crusader Codpiece is sensitive about that kind of thing. Rub It In His Face.
