Lessons Learned
by digby
Here’s an interesting round up of the various ways in which the bin Laden operation was the results of different policies:
The first two examples are fairly mundane. But the last is important:
Intel Reform—Better Sharing, Better Use. Steve Coll writes in The New Yorker. Military Command—More Effective Leadership.[Obama was a gusty guy who ordered a gutsy operation etc.)Interrogation Reform—A Different Quality of Partnership. We’ve seen some diehard torture supporters arguing that, because some of the first clues to the identity of bin Laden’s courier came from Bush-era Guantánamo detainees, “torture worked.” There are two problems with this assertion. First, the Bush administration claimed to have barred the most objectionable interrogation practices in 2003 and extended Geneva protections to detainees in 2006—but, as Jane Mayer points out in The New Yorker, the real name of the courier apparently wasn’t obtained until four years ago. And on Monday, former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld said, “It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantánamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.” It’s thus hard to say the torture is what led to this weekend’s mission in Abbottabad. Second, and more important, any tips from Guantánamo had to be supplemented by a flood of on-the-ground work, and presumably more interrogations, and more talk with friendly sources, and more purchased intel—much of which, apparently, came in the last eight months. Not coincidentally, we have seen considerable improvement in cooperation with Pakistani and Western intelligence agencies in the post-Bush years, as confidence in U.S. interrogation practices, and thus in the political safety of admitting cooperation with U.S. intelligence agencies, improved. I’m not arguing that everything is perfect now, just that no one has been sent to Guantánamo lately and global perceptions have improved, the results of which have been increased ability to operate on the ground and receive shared information
Surprise.
That all sounds pretty good. I wonder how all the sabre rattling about (nuclear armed) Pakistan will affect this new found cooperation?
I have no idea if Pakistani leaders knew of bin Laden’s presence. It seems absurd that at least some of them didn’t. But then, there’s nothing new in that suspicion. I’ve been hearing that for years. Just last month there was this:
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Senator Dianne Feinstein, Chairman of the Congress’ Senate Committee said here yesterday that she sees now the CIA-ISI relationship as “something less than whole hearted partnership” because the ISI is “walking both sides of the street”.
Let’s just say that all the shock and dismay this week that members of the Pakistani government may have knows where bin Laden was hiding rings just a little bit hollow.
I certainly have no idea who knew what when. But these problems in the relationship have been there for some time. Considering the stakes, it would be a shame if anyone were to use the bin Laden operation as an excuse to totally blow it up.
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