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“A use will always be found for it”

“A use will always be found for it”

by digby

Today was the first public event of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight board since the Snowden revelations. There were a lot of interesting comments, like this for instance:

That sounds right to me …

This also came up:

A former federal judge who granted government surveillance requests has broken ranks to criticise the system of secret courts as unfit for purpose in the wake of recent revelations by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. 

James Robertson, who retired from the District of Columbia circuit in 2010, was one of a select group of judges who presided over the so-called Fisa courts, set up under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which are intended to provide legal oversight and protect against unnecessary privacy intrusions. 

But he says he was shocked to hear of recent changes to allow more sweeping authorisations of programmes such as the gathering of US phone records, and called for a reform of the system to allow counter-arguments to be heard. 

Speaking as a witness during the first public hearings into the Snowden revelations, Judge Robertson said that without an adversarial debate the courts should not be expected to create a secret body of law that authorised such broad surveillance programmes. 

“A judge has to hear both sides of a case before deciding,” he told members of a Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB) recently appointed by President Obama.
“What Fisa does is not adjudication, but approval. This works just fine when it deals with individual applications for warrants, but the 2008 amendment has turned the Fisa court into administrative agency making rules for others to follow.” 

“It is not the bailiwick of judges to make policy,” he added…”This process needs an adversary. If it’s not the ACLU or Amnesty, perhaps the PCLOB can be that adversary.”

Members of the oversight board, which has previously been criticised by Congress as an ineffective watchdog, shook their heads and rolled their eyes when this suggestion was made.

Isn’t that special?

You can follow the workshop on twitter #PCLOB.  It’s a little bit scattered, but interesting nonetheless.  I look forward to seeing a full write-up.

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