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Month: October 2016

The drug test comments aren’t just random lunacy #notkidding

The drug test comments are part of a strategy

by digby

The press seemed a little bit startled to hear Donald Trump suggest that Hillary Clinton is on drugs and challenge her to take a drug test before the next debate. It just sounded like more of his lunatic rambling.

Actually it’s not as you’ll see from this story from Breitbart a few days before the last debate:

“If athletes need to be tested for drugs for the biggest race of their lives, shouldn’t candidates be tested for the biggest race of yours?” That’s the question the Defeat Crooked Hillary PAC is asking in a new 30-second ad titled, “Race of a Lifetime.”
The text of the ad is featured on top of Fox 10 News video footage showing Hillary Clinton audibly coughing and asking, “Can I get some water?”

The Super PAC’s call for drug testing the candidates comes just days before Clinton and Trump face off in St. Louis for their second debate on Sunday.

The ad comes as part of a new targeting campaign, which will begin running on Friday. The new ads “are supported by a six-figure ad buy. Each ad will target swing states and undecided voters on Facebook, YouTube and Google,” the Super PAC writes in a press release.

Presumably, neither campaign should have reason to object to drug testing the candidates, as Clinton’s campaign has repeatedly insisted that Clinton is in fine health, and Trump has demonstrated his physical stamina with the rigorous campaign schedule he has kept for over a year, in which he addresses thousands of people each day, oftentimes in sweltering heat. It is also well known that Trump’s lives a lifestyle that has been completely free of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, or even coffee.

However, in recent weeks — despite the efforts both by Clinton’s campaign and by many in corporate media to dismiss discussion of Clinton’s health — the subject has become a topic of concern.

Many among those concerned have pointed to Clinton’s chronic coughing episodes, her memory loss, her previous falls, her collapse at a memorial service on the 15th anniversary of 9/11 (followed by her campaign’s denial of any health problems, then their claim that it was “overheating,” and finally their claim that it was actually pneumonia), the various footage demonstrating her apparent difficulties ascending and descending stairs, and her bizarre appearance and volume in a recent video message to voters in which she shouts at the camera: “Why aren’t I fifty points ahead?”

These incidents, in combination with her appearance during recent televised campaign events, have led some to question whether Clinton is being propped up on medications to “engineer” an appearance of alertness during widely-watched events. Following the last debate, Dilbert creator Scott Adams wrote that Clinton looked “drugged, tired [and] sick.”

“Clinton looked [to my eyes] as if she was drugged, tired, sick, or generally unhealthy, even though she was mentally alert and spoke well,” Adams wrote. “But her eyes were telling a different story. She had the look of someone whose doctors had engineered 90 minutes of alertness for her just for the event. If she continues with a light campaign schedule, you should assume my observation is valid, and she wasn’t at 100 percent.”

Both Kellyanne Conway and David Bossie worked for the “Defeat Crooked Hillary PAC” before signing on to the Trump campaign.  But I’m sure there was no coordination or anything. These people have the highest integrity. Trump just happened to read Breitbart one day and saw this story.  Or more likely, being a genius and all, he just came up with it randomly by himself.

And in local news… by @BloggersRUs

And in local news…
by Tom Sullivan

Well, a few hours’ drive east in North Carolina anyway:

HILLSBOROUGH – The Orange County Republican Party headquarters was firebombed overnight Saturday and graffiti was spray-painted nearby in an attack that the GOP called “political terrorism.”

A flaming bottle was thrown through a window of the office and a swastika and “Nazi Republicans leave town or else” were painted in black on the side of an adjacent building, Hillsborough officials said in a news release.

Hillary Clinton responded on Twitter:

Some Democrats responded by launching a GoFundMe site to help the GOP rebuild:

The campaign was not an official effort by the Democratic Party, Jeff Jarvis, professor and director of the Tow-Knight Center for Entrepreneurial Journalism at the City University of New York’s Graduate School of Journalism, wrote on the GoFundMe page.

“It is the effort of a half-dozen Democrats (of which I am one). This is a moment for graciousness, not fractiousness,” Jarvis wrote.

Donations quickly poured in and the campaign’s $10,000 goal was surpassed within a couple hours, Weinberger said. In total, organizers raised $13,167 from 552 donations before closing the fund.

Donald Trump responded:

Because whether he’s a winner or a loser is always the first thing on Trump’s mind, not people’s safety. The GOP’s candidate needs no investigation to make up his mind. Just like he needs no classified briefing from professionals to know what’s what before he acts. He’s Trump, dammit.

I sympathize with the GOP folks in Hillsborough. At least as regards party regulars from each team, whatever our philosophical differences, there’s a certain degree of professional respect. We share the same hobby. We’re out on the same field, playing the same game, in the same weather, wearing different jerseys. It’s the bleacher bums you have to watch out for. Over the years, we’ve seen intimidation, threats, vandalism (once already this year), and sheriff’s deputies stationed at night outside our local Democratic headquarters during campaign season. (The Molotov cocktail is a new twist.) And the Hillsborough attack occurred on a Saturday night during the full moon, the Hunter’s Moon. The lunatics are out at this time of the season. People, be careful out there.

The new libertines

The new libertines

by digby

Mother Jones’ Tim Murphy interviewed some Trump voters about the pussy tape:

The supporters who packed this rally hadn’t lost any sleep over the tape. They offered different theories as to where the video might have come from and what it really means, but they agreed on one thing: He’s still better than Crooked Hillary. As one middle-aged man put it, “He apologized for it, and Hillary doesn’t know how to apologize for anything.”

“I’m a guy, I’ve done worse,” said Henry Dupuis, who told me he was an immigrant from Canada. “Absolutely, me and my buddies? I’m serious about that.”

Worse than sexual assault, really?

“No, I’m just saying, well call it…it’s just words,” Dupuis said. “It’s no action, compared to Bill Clinton. It’s just words.”

“What did I think of it?,” asked Christine Lewis, from Lakeland. “Honestly I thought that was the most ridiculous set-up from the GOP. They set it up, they planned it, because it’s locker-room banter, it’s all it was. Every guy in the United States of America has talked about doing a girl. In the bathroom. Or in the locker room, or wherever—on the bus. Let me tell you this: How come—this is what pisses me off—how come she can call a bunch of challenged kids at an Easter Egg hunt ‘retards’ and there’s no media coverage? That’s way worse than him talking about banging some girl.” (Jones was referring to a claim made in a book written by a high school girlfriend of Bill Clinton, which posits that Hillary mocked disabled children as first lady of Arkansas.)

Lewis’ friend Steve Peters told, me, “What guy doesn’t talk like that? If he didn’t talk like that I’d think there’s something wrong with him.”

Another Trump supporter, Diane (whose husband encouraged her not to give her last name) offered the entertainment industry defense: “There’s a lot of people in Hollywood, a lot of music people, rappers, that say a lot more dangerous and nasty language. And you know what? That language that Trump said in that was years ago, and it hasn’t killed anybody. And Hillary Clinton’s actions as secretary of state got people killed in Benghazi.

“It doesn’t really affect me,” said Lew Gaskins of nearby Bartow. “He’s never been a politician. He’s always been a caricature, a TV star, so things like that are gonna be in his past. I think Billy Bush goaded him into it. He was just throwing out bravado, he wasn’t married at the time. I think they’re disgusting, every one of them.” (Trump was married to Melania at the time of the interview.)

David Jones, who wore a blue shirt with the word “Deplorable,” said the media should focus on something else: “What do they think about the tape that they’re just playing today about Obama showing his erection on his plane in 2008?” he asked me. The tape? “Yeah, it’s all over the internet now. It’s all over what’s his name, what’s the conservative guy’s name? Drudge.” (You can watch the video he’s talking about here.) As for the groping comments: “Well, it’s not right, but he didn’t mean it for an open mic, and he didn’t act on it. And Hillary’s husband acted on it.”

Inside the event, Barb Main of Lakeland referred to me still another tape when I asked her about Trump’s comments. “I don’t really like, it but it was 11 years ago,” she said. “He wasn’t in politics. I think what Bill and Hillary has done is worse. I’ve heard the tapes of her laughing about the 12 year old that was raped by the 35-year-old guy that got off. And that’s just sick. She was defending the guy that raped her—she knows he did it, and got him off with a minimal sentence and laughing about it. And the way she destroyed the women that were involved with Bill.” (Roy Reed, who was interviewing Clinton in the recording in question, has clarified that Clinton was laughing at the “absurdity” of the Arkansas crime laboratory, and not the case itself.)

Sue Imbody, a real estate agent, told me she shrugged at the Trump tape because as a woman who had fought to break through in an industry dominated by men, she’d heard worse. “I’ve been in a lot of business transactions, and men are men,” she said. “And their discussions include some garbage that I would not use, sometimes it slips in my presence, but you know what, I understand that I’m not gonna change the world with my values, that if I want to participate and I want to know how it is in the real world, that I’m gonna have to get bigger than that, get beyond that, and understand the real crises we face.”

She continued, “They’re high flyers, high rollers. They talk their language, it’s a part of the good old boy system. I’m on the outside a lot of times, but they’re getting wiser, they’re getting more careful, and I’m all for women and so is Trump.”

A handful of people I spoke to did allow that Trump had done something undeniably wrong, but they emphasized forgiveness. “You know what, I’m a Christian woman and of course I do agree that that kind of talk is not something that is appropriate for the mainstream media,” Gwen Rollings told me. “However, he’s asked for forgiveness, and as Christians that’s what we’re supposed to do. I’m voting for his principles and his policies now.”

That same Christian charity was not available for the Republican politicians who had jumped ship over the weekend, though. “I would probably compare them to like Benedict Arnold,” Rollings said.

These are your Real Americans, people. As I’ve said before, the good news is that we don’t ever have to listen to their caterwauling about traditional Christian morals and values again. I have one word for them when they try it — Trump.

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Surreal Trump campaign event of the week-end

Surreal Trump campaign event of the week-end

by digby

That wasn’t the surreal part. Trumps remarks to Indian TV were:

He’s got another secret plan, apparently.

The Villagers’ obsession

The Villagers’ obsession

by digby


A big piece at Vox about the fascinating Trump voters is getting a lot of attention today. This is the nut:

The American press is overwhelmingly made up of left-of-center white people who live in large cities and have internalized very strong anti-racist norms. As a result, it tends to be composed of people who think of racism as a very, very serious character defect, and who are riddled with anxiety about being perceived as out of touch with “real America.” “Real America” being, per decades of racially charged tropes in our culture, white, non-urban America.

So in comes Donald Trump, a candidate running on open white nationalism whose base is whites who — while not economically struggling compared with poor whites backing Hillary Clinton and doing way better economically than black or Latino people backing Clinton — definitely live in the “real America” which journalists feel a yearning to connect to and desperately don’t want to be out of touch with.

Describing these people as motivated by racial resentment, per journalists’ deep-seated belief that racism is a major character defect, seems cruel and un-empathetic, even if it’s supported by extensive amounts of social scientific research and indeed by the statements of Trump’s supporters themselves.

So it becomes very, very tempting to just ignore this evidence and insist that Trump supporters are in fact the wretched of the earth, and to connect them with every possible pathology of white America: post-industrial decay, the opioid crisis, labor force dropouts, rising middle-age mortality rates, falling social mobility, and so on. This almost always fails (globalization victims and labor force dropouts are less likely to support Trump, per Rothwell), but if there’s even a small hint of a connection, as when Rothwell found a correlation between Trump support and living in an area with rising white mortality, you’re in luck. If you can squint hard enough, the narrative will always survive.

There’s a parallel temptation among leftists and social democrats who, in their ongoing attempt to show that neoliberal capitalism is failing, attempt to tie that failure to the rise of Trump. If economic suffering among lower-class whites caused Trump, the reasoning goes, then the solution is to address that suffering through a more generous welfare state and better economic policy, achieved through a multiethnic working-class coalition that includes those Trump supporters. Yes, these supporters may be racist, but it’s important not to say mean things about them lest they fall out of the coalition.

I happen to agree with the conclusion of the piece — that these Real Americans are driven by racism and and resentment of other social change more than economic anxiety. (And it’s very telling that so few pieces have been done on Clinton’s equally hardcore base of women and people of color with in-depth examinations of what makes them tick.)  But would it be wrong of me to point out for the thousandth time since I’ve been writing this blog that this is not new?

Here’s one from 9 years ago:

Who Do They Think They Are?

by digby

In his attempt to dismiss us, Mr. Rove turned to head toward his table, but as soon as he did so, Sheryl reached out to touch his arm. Karl swung around and spat, “Don’t touch me.” … Unphased, Sheryl abruptly responded, “You can’t speak to us like that, you work for us.” Karl then quipped, “I don’t work for you, I work for the American people.” To which Sheryl promptly reminded him, “We are the American people…”



Yesterday, Glenn Greenwald thoroughly dispatched the absurd notion of David Broder being hailed as “the voice of the people.” This should be completely uncontroversial. The “Dean” of the Washington press corps cannot, by definition, be the voice of the people. It’s ridiculous on its face. Yet Greenwald gets this response from Joe Klein:

I don’t understand this. Is he saying that people like Broder and Ron Brownstein and me shouldn’t talk to people outside the Beltway?

Look, the blogospheric media critics have served a valuable function at times, and at other times it’s just vitriol for vitriol’s sake. I thought an essential part of the critique was that some of us are out of touch with reality…but now Greenwald is saying that any efforts to actually report what’s going on outside the Beltway are bad, too?


Greenwald replies:

It ought to go without saying that I argued nothing of the kind. My point was that Beltway pundits are far too insulated and detached from the people whom they baselessly claim to represent, not that leaving the Beltway is bad. The fact that it is supposed to be some sort of commendable or distinguishing attribute that Broder goes on field trips to America in order to study how the “ordinary people” think — much the way a zoologist travels to the jungle to observe the behavior of different species — illustrates that point.


I would actually take the argument another step and point out that Broder and others also venture out into the American landscape with a sort of pre-conceived notion of what defines “the people” that appears to have been formed by TV sit-coms in 1955. They seem to see extraordinary value in sitting in some diner with middle aged and older white men (sometimes a few women are included) to “ask them what they think.” And invariably these middle-aged white men say the country is going to hell in a handbasket and they want the government to do more and they hate paying taxes. There may be a little frisson of disagreement among these otherwise similar people on certain issues of the day because of their affiliation with a union or because of the war or certain social issues, but for the most part they all sit together and politely talk politics with this anthropologist/reporter, usually agreeing that this president or another one is a bum or a hero. The reporter takes careful notes of everything these “real Americans” have to say and take them back to DC and report them as the opinions of “the people.”

Meanwhile, someone like me, who lives in a big city on the west coast and who doesn’t hang out in diners with middle aged white men are used as an example of the “fringe” even though I too am one of “the people” as are many others — like hispanic youths or single urban mothers or dot-com millionaires or elderly southern black granddads or Korean entrepreneurs (or even Sheryl Crow.) We are not Real Americans.

This fetishization of that other mythical “Real American” seems to stem from a public epiphany that the previous “Dean” of the DC press corps, Joseph Kraft, had almost 40 years ago when confronted with the disconcerting sight of violence in the streets perpetrated by nice white boys and girls:


“Are we merely neutral observers, seekers after truth in the public interest? Or do we, as the supporters of Mayor Daley and his Chicago police have charged, have a prejudice of our own?

“The answer, I think is that Mayor Daley and his supporters have a point. Most of us in what is called the communications field are not rooted in the great mass of ordinary Americans–in Middle America. And the results show up not merely in occasional episodes such as the Chicago violence but more importantly in the systematic bias toward young people, minority groups, and the of presidential candidates who appeal to them.

“To get a feel of this bias it is first necessary to understand the antagonism that divides the middle class of this country. On the one hand there are highly educated upper-income whites sure of and brimming with ideas for doing things differently. On the other hand, there is Middle America, the large majority of low-income whites, traditional in their values and on the defensive against innovation.

“The most important organs of and television are, beyond much doubt, dominated by the outlook of the upper-income whites.

“In these circumstances, it seems to me that those of us in the media need to make a special effort to understand Middle America. Equally it seems wise to exercise a certain caution, a prudent restraint, in pressing a claim for a plenary indulgence to be in all places at all times the agent of the sovereign public.”



Joseph Kraft defined “Middle America” as a blue collar or rural white male, “traditional in his values and defensive against innovation.” Ever since then, the denizens of the beltway have deluded themselves into thinking they speak for that “silent majority.” (And what a serendipitous coincidence it was that this happened at the moment of a right wing political ascension that also made a fetish out of the same blue collar white male.) The converse of this, of course, is that they also assume that the “fringe” liberals from the coasts are way out of the mainstream, even to the extent that editors of Time simply make up data to conform to Kraft’s outdated observations.

It reached the zenith of synergistic absurdity during the Lewinsky scandal when the cosmopolitan beltway courtiers finally went all in and portrayed themselves as as the salt-of-the-earth provincial town folk who were appalled by the misbehavior ‘o them out-a-towners from thuh big city:

When Establishment Washingtonians of all persuasions gather to support their own, they are not unlike any other small community in the country.

On this evening, the roster included Cabinet members Madeleine Albright and Donna Shalala, Republicans Sen. John McCain and Rep. Bob Livingston, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan, PBS’s Jim Lehrer and New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd, all behaving like the pals that they are. On display was a side of Washington that most people in this country never see. For all their apparent public differences, the people in the room that night were coming together with genuine affection and emotion to support their friends — the Wall Street Journal’s Al Hunt and his wife, CNN’s Judy Woodruff, whose son Jeffrey has spina bifida.

But this particular community happens to be in the nation’s capital. And the people in it are the so-called Beltway Insiders — the high-level members of Congress, policymakers, lawyers, military brass, diplomats and journalists who have a proprietary interest in Washington and identify with it.

They call the capital city their “town.”

And their town has been turned upside down.



Here you had the most powerful people in the world identifying themselves with Bedford Falls from “It’s A Wonderful Life” when the court of Versailles or Augustan Rome would be far more more apt. The lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. Thirty years after Kraft’s epiphany, this decadent world capital that had recently seen the likes of Richard Nixon’s crimes and John F. Kennedy’s philandering (and corruption of all types, both moral and legal at the highest levels for years), were now telling the nation that they themselves were small town burghers and factory workers upholding traditional American values. And even more amazing, the rest of America was now morally suspect and needed to be led by these purveyors of Real American values:

With some exceptions, the Washington Establishment is outraged by the president’s behavior in the Monica Lewinsky scandal. The polls show that a majority of Americans do not share that outrage. Around the nation, people are disgusted but want to move on; in Washington, despite Clinton’s gains with the budget and the Mideast peace talks, people want some formal acknowledgment that the president’s behavior has been unacceptable. They want this, they say, not just for the sake of the community, but for the sake of the country and the presidency as well.

They were just defending their lonely little outpost against the interlopers:

This is where they spend their lives, raise their families, participate in community activities, take pride in their surroundings. They feel Washington has been brought into disrepute by the actions of the president.

“It’s much more personal here,” says pollster Geoff Garin. “This is an affront to their world. It affects the dignity of the place where they live and work. . . . Clinton’s behavior is unacceptable. If they did this at the local Elks Club hall in some other community it would be a big cause for concern.”

“He came in here and he trashed the place,” says Washington Post columnist David Broder, “and it’s not his place.”

“This is a company town,” says retired senator Howard Baker, once Ronald Reagan’s chief of staff. “We’re up close and personal. The White House is the center around which our city revolves.”

Bill Galston, former deputy domestic policy adviser to Clinton and now a professor at the University of Maryland, says of the scandal that “most people in Washington believe that most people in Washington are honorable and are trying to do the right thing. The basic thought is that to concede that this is normal and that everybody does it is to undermine a lifetime commitment to honorable public service.”

“Everybody doesn’t do it,” says Jerry Rafshoon, Jimmy Carter’s former communications director. “The president himself has said it was wrong.”

Pollster Garin, president of Peter Hart Research Associates, says that the disconnect is not unlike the difference between the way men and women view the scandal. Just as many men are angry that Clinton’s actions inspire the reaction “All men are like that,” Washingtonians can’t abide it that the rest of the country might think everyone here cheats and lies and abuses his subordinates the way the president has.

“This is a community in all kinds of ways,” says ABC correspondent Cokie Roberts, whose parents both served in Congress. She is concerned that people outside Washington have a distorted view of those who live here. “The notion that we are some rarefied beings who breathe toxic air is ridiculous. . . . When something happens everybody gathers around. . . . It’s a community of good people involved in a worthwhile pursuit. We think being a worthwhile public servant or journalist matters.”

“This is our town,” says Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, the first Democrat to forcefully condemn the president’s behavior. “We spend our lives involved in talking about, dealing with, working in government. It has reminded everybody what matters to them. You are embarrassed about what Bill Clinton’s behavior says about the White House, the presidency, the government in general.”

And many are offended that the principles that brought them to Washington in the first place are now seen to be unfashionable or illegitimate.

Muffie Cabot, who as Muffie Brandon served as social secretary to President and Nancy Reagan, regards the scene with despair. “This is a demoralized little village,” she says. “People have come from all over the country to serve a higher calling and look what happened. They’re so disillusioned. The emperor has no clothes. Watergate was pretty scary, but it wasn’t quite as sordid as this.”

“People felt a reverent attitude toward 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,” says Tish Baldrige, who once worked there as Jacqueline Kennedy’s social secretary and has been a frequent visitor since. “Now it’s gone, now it’s sleaze and dirt. We all feel terribly let down. It’s very emotional. We want there to be standards. We’re used to standards. When you think back to other presidents, they all had a lot of class. That’s nonexistent now. It’s sad for people in the White House. . . . I’ve never seen such bad morale in my life. They’re not proud of their chief.”


That “demoralized little village” was all atwitter, wasn’t it? You’d never know that they were running the most powerful nation the world has ever known, would you?

Yet, even while they ostentatiously ranted and wailed hysterically with anachronistic notions of bourgeois American values, they still carried on as if the White House and the nation’s capital belonged to them instead of the American people, which is the very definition of elitism. What an achievement! The very rich and powerful (but we won’t talk about that) “bourgeoisie” now had to save degenerate “Middle America” from itself.

When the equally phony George W. Bush came to town it was love at first sight, and why wouldn’t it be? Here you had a man whom these people could truly admire — a rich man of the bluest blood, born into one of the most powerful families in America who nonetheless pretended to be some hick from Midland Texas. He took great pride in his phoniness, just as they did, and they all danced this absurd kabuki in perfect step for years each pretending to the other that they were all “just regular guys.”

You can see then why some of us have concluded that the Dean and his cadre of establishment courtiers don’t actually care much about what “the people” think about anything. And it should also be obvious why we are so skeptical of their reporting skills when they venture out on their anthropological expeditions to find only examples of Americans who strangely hew to their own Hollywood casting of themselves — an America of Sally Quinns warmly played by plucky Donna Reed and David Broder himself, brought to life by loveable Wilfred Brimleys. (“They came in and they trashed the place. And it’s not their place.” Can’t you just hear it?)

Of course political reporters should go out and interview Americans and write stories about what those Americans have to say about the issues of the day. But those interviews are not any more representative of what “the people” as a whole think than are the liberal blogs or Sally Quinn’s fictitious “small town” or the fans at a NASCAR race. This is especially true when it’s filtered through the phony bourgeois posturings of a bunch of highly paid reporters and insiders who have contrived a self-serving little passion play in which they are regular blue collar guys from Buffalo and corn fed farmers from the Midwest (Real Americans!) who just happen to summer on Nantucket and get invitations to white tie state dinners with the Queen of England. Pardon us fringe dwellers for being just a tad skeptical that these forays out into “America” are informing us about anything more the embarrassing neuroses of some very spoiled elites.

A rare exception

A rare exception

by digby


Jake Tapper, confronting a Republican Trump defender this morning:

For the most part, it seemed that the pundits were tired of talking about Trump’s antics and are eager to get back to obsessing over emails. They are riveted to the latest Wikileaks dump especially since they contain items about them and they are eager to prove that the kind of public relations planning the campaign did is anomalous despite the fact that it’s as ordinary as the sun coming up in the morning.There were also lots of complaints that Clinton isn’t running the kind of positive campaign that people want, thus proving that they need to stop running searches for their own names on wikileaks and actually cover her campaign.

At this point there are only two beats — emails and Trump. Clinton herself is  cartoon Malificent. But that’s her fault too for being so boring and uninspiring that the reporters would rather spend all their time reading emails.  Maybe if she groped somebody’s crotch they might look up for a minute.

Donald Trump is right that he’s getting harsh treatment from the press. But the normal vetting was (mostly) delayed until the very end not because it was a strategy but because they thought of him as entertainment the way they think of Limbaugh and Hannity as “entertainment.” They didn’t take him or the poison he was injecting into the body politic seriously so they chuckled under their breath and spent all their time focusing on the horrible old bag they love to hate. It resulted in lopsided coverage until the end when most people’s views had already hardened.  The polls look positive but it still isn’t a slam-dunk, (most people say the sex stuff hasn’t changed their minds) especially if the press succeeds in hammering home the fatuous notion that the choice is between two equally loathesome candidates. This morning’s pundit shows, which tend to set the tone for the week, were not reassuring.

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What To Do When Trump Supporters Threaten To Kill @spockosbrain

What To Do When Trump Supporters Threaten To Kill

by Spocko

Here is what Trump’s followers are doing right now:
In Virginia two guys with guns show up outside a democrat’s office to protest Hillary saying, “We’re not a threat to anybody, the only threat is ignorance, and ignorance breeds fear.”   Another Trump guy calls for a bloody coup and hopes someone shoots Hillary.

 Armed protester, Daniel Parks,
 outside Jane Dittmar’s Palmyra campaign office
to protest Hillary Clinton.
CBS 19 NEWSPLEX  

In the space between the extremes of, “OMG, he could win this thing!” and “He will never win!” there is now a discussion of what Trump’s followers will do post election. That’s good. We need to be prepared for their “It was rigged!” screams.  But we also need to talk about what WE will do right now.

When Lou Dobbs published the phone number of Jessica Leeds, the 74-year-old former traveling businesswoman who accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her, I told my friends that I hope the secret service, the FBI and local law enforcement will be keeping an eye on all communications she receives.  I want her to be safe, but I also want to see a story about her threats being tracked, people identified and arrests being made before the election.

I want CNN and Fox to report on these arrests to their watchers, because they each helped make the threats happen.  I want arrests to happen before the election so they won’t be written off as Hillary’s “goons” arresting these people as payback. Directives to find and arrest people will be coming from our currently appointed justice department. Maybe the people who are behind the arrests of the Bundy people could lead. (Of course there will still be cries about Obama’s “goons,” FEMA camps and black helicopters, but whatever.)

Actually what should happen is that GOP politicians should demand the end of violent threats. They should demand that law enforcement take threats seriously. Then they should help ensure the threateners are tracked, exposed and arrested. If they are found guilty after a trial there should be appropriate punishment.   The GOP leaders need to say, “You threaten anyone with violence, and it’s a true threat, WE will take your guns, not Obama, not Hillary, but us, your elected Republican leaders, because we don’t do that in America.”

The GOP leaders could seize this opportunity to distance themselves from Trump, and be decent people, but they won’t, because they are afraid of their constituency. The right knows what their base is capable of, even if we don’t.

In Robert Draper’s interview on Fresh Air I heard the story of foul-mouthed conservative bully Erick Erickson getting death threats for not supporting Trump. It doesn’t make me gleeful to hear about him receiving letters from people who discussed how he might be shot. I don’t think it’s cool for armed strangers to show up at his door “just to talk.”

After this experience will he have empathy for all the people on our side who have had this happen to them? Will he now understand that when open carry people show up “just to talk” it’s really meant to convey future violence unless he complies?

Even though those threats were directed at Erick Erickson from the right wing, we can’t count on the right-wing media to act on this. They always assume the gun-toting, violence threatening people are on their side threatening liberals and democrats–so it’s fine. (And when we call them on it they will say, “We were just joking!” )

I think the right knows that if they asked law enforcement to use their full surveillance power, with a warrant, it would uncover the people on their side who they turn a blind eye too.  Law enforcement doesn’t need to go to the FISA court or run unwarranted wiretaps to get this info.

When people get death threats, and they are elevated to “true threat” levels everyone understands it is appropriate to bring in law enforcement.

I know a lot about computers, how they operate and how people can be traced. I also read terms of service contracts. I know acceptable use policies.  It wouldn’t take the NSA to crack the anonymity of most people making death threats, especially if the ISP gets a warrant from law enforcement.

Even with all my knowledge I know I could be found with a lawful warrant. But I’m not making death threats. I’m not showing up at protests with my gun and bragging about my arsenal or talking about killing people. I don’t show up armed at people’s house to remind them I know where they live and where their kids go to school.

People should NOT have to accept getting threats of violence as just the price of modern life. If they are coming from “social media” it is likely a violation of their terms of services. If people are writing threatening emails while at work it might be a violation of their organization or employer’s code of ethics. It might also be illegal.  It definitely is wrong and unacceptable in our democracy.

The people making threats can be found. In fact, a lot of tech savvy people can find these people right now. In the past I’ve encouraged people to keep track of these threateners, so you can show a pattern and importantly prove their intent.

The reason that most people making death threats aren’t traced or identified isn’t their digital hiding skills, it’s about the lack of will and capacity of law enforcement to do anything.

I get no satisfaction from “I told you so.” 

“I told you so’s” after the fact aren’t enough for me. If we know that a group of domestic terrorists are planning to kill people and we don’t act because we thought they were joking, we are failing in our duty to grasp reality and protect others. People can say Trump and RW media hosts have blood on their hands, but nothing is going to happen to them latter.

I also want to remind people that there are other exceptions to the First Amendment besides, “You can’t falsely yell fire in a crowded theater.” Threatening speech is NOT protected speech. It is essential to show the public that making true threats to others will have consequences.

After people are shot, killed or assassinated, pundits will wring their hands and say, “Nobody could have seen this coming!” Yes we can.

And before some concern troll starts talking about a chilling effect to political speech,  I’m not talking about thoughtcrime or pre-crime. We’ve seen the threats, they are specific and they are happening now. We need to act to prevent violence now, instead of waiting for after the election to really take them seriously.

Jumping safely from a runaway train by @BloggersRUs

Jumping safely from a runaway train
by Tom Sullivan


Photo illustration by Jared Rodriguez / t r u t h o u t, overduebook, vagawi / flickr via Creative Commons.

Already Democrats are worried what Trump cultists will do when Dear Leader loses. Their unease is enhanced perhaps by his positioning himself ahead of November 8 as either victor or “a victim of one of the great political smear campaigns in the history of our country.” Nobody has yet accused Trump of not being histrionic.

But it is a real concern, one E.J. Dionne addresses in the Washington Post. Trump supporters are not all “delusional bigots,” Dionne contends:

Technological change has undercut incomes and living standards for a significant share of our fellow citizens. An influx of immigrants has shocked certain communities, leading them to experience a genuine sense of displacement and powerlessness in the face of change they cannot control. There are struggles for power as new groups gain political ascendancy and older groups, once a majority, become minorities. There are also battles over material resources as newcomers are perceived as taking jobs (sometimes for lower wages) from groups that once dominated particular fields.

In short, they are scared, unsettled and threatened by the kind of rapid change Toffler suggested could make one physically ill. One reason (besides white nationalism) Trump’s message connects with his followers is his dispensing with technocratic solutions to their grievances (as if offering those was an option for him). He connects with their unease on an emotional level that Washington’s more technocratic style does not. Intellectual arguments miss the emotional component of people’s sense that the world they knew is slipping from their grasp:

Progressives and moderates alike also need to recognize that arguments can be sensible as far as they go but still send signals of indifference to those who are losing out. Take a group we might call the “schoolers.” They say again and again that there’s nothing wrong with our economy that can’t be solved by giving more education and more training to more people. The core insight here is certainly right: We must do far better in preparing workers for the economy as it exists.

But especially for older white workers, a lot of this talk sounds like a put-down. They can be forgiven for thinking they’re being blamed for following the rules that applied when they first entered the workforce: A high school degree and hard work would be enough to allow them to live well and their kids to live even better.

Trump is exploiting their resentments for his own glory but at least he gives voice to them.

Deepak Malhotra writing in the Harvard Business Review (h/t Sara R.) examines how the country might defuse the hate after Election Night. Malhotra begins with what others have been saying about what’s needed regarding the final vote count:

If this ends up being a close election, it will allow hate to retain the foothold it needs to survive. That is why, for the first time in U.S. history, Americans need one candidate—in this case, Donald Trump—to lose decisively. A loss of historic proportions is the only way to ensure that future candidates are never again tempted to consort with the politics of hate. It is the only outcome that will allow Americans of tomorrow to peer into the reflecting pool of history and say “that is not who we are.”

To (in my geek terms) “bring balance to the Force,” Malhotra suggests approaches that draw on skills in negotiation, deal-making, and conflict resolution: “If you want people to change course, you have to create an ‘exit ramp’ for them.” A nudge is more effective than browbeating. He offers several tactics that rely more on emotional intelligence than on debating skills.

Malhotra offers seven recommendations for helping neighbors change course. His second is perhaps most challenging for progressives more inclined to argue their opponents into submission:

2. Provide information, and then give them time. When dealing with someone who passionately disagrees with you, a more effective approach than debating is to provide information without demanding anything in return. You might say (or post on Facebook) something along the lines of: “That’s interesting. Here’s some information I came across. You might find it useful given your interest in this topic.” Or, “when you get a chance, I’d appreciate you taking a look at this.” You’ve done about as much as you can for now. If they can consider what you’ve said without carrying the additional burden of having to agree with you, it is more likely it sinks in a little bit. This is why, over weeks and months, polls do change. Trump has lost ground as additional information about his behavior and temperament and weak grasp of issues has come to light. But the change doesn’t tend to happen during a heated argument. It doesn’t happen immediately.

It’s good advice. I like to employ a simple, three-word southernism, shake my head, and leave it at that: “He ain’t right.” Let that sink in.

Law enforcement for Trump

Law enforcement for Trump

by digby

That’s the Trump supporting Sheriff Clarke from Wisconsin.

There are more. The Fraternal Order of Police, Border Patrol and ICE unions all endorsed him. And then there’s this:

Fifty-five percent of active and former military members support Trump, while 36 percent back Clinton. But nearly half — 47 percent — say they are not confident in Trump’s ability as commander in chief of the military. Sixty-four percent said the same about Clinton.

I have to assume that the vast majority of law enforcement and military personnel will observe the laws of this country and do their jobs if Trump’s cult members decide to get violent as they are threatening. I hope so anyway.

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