A recent memo by Secretary of State Marco Rubio revealed that the Trump administration threatened dozens of nations with a travel ban while dangling third-country deportation deals to avoid the restrictions. An investigation by The Intercept finds that, with this new gambit, the U.S. has reportedly pursued deals with at least 53 countries, including many that are beset by conflict or terrorist violence or that the State Department has excoriated for human rights abuses.
The State Department refused to provide a list of countries with which the U.S. has made agreements to accept deportees from third countries, citing the sensitivity of diplomatic communications.
Anwen Hughes, the senior director of legal strategy for refugee programs at Human Rights First, noted that there were Mexican nationals held in south Texas set to be deported to both Libya and South Sudan. “The Mexican border is right there. I’ve been doing immigration detention work for a very long time. I’ve never in my life seen Mexico refuse to take back one of its nationals, ever,” she told The Intercept. “The U.S. appears to be looking for really implausible destinations to send people. It’s not just punitive, it’s deliberately terrifying and honestly perverse.”
They want to punish undocumented immigrants. And keep in mind that the vast, vast majority are not criminals.
Read the whole thing. This plot is diabolical.
“I truly worry these places will become way stations or bridges for deportation from the U.S. to home countries,” Schacher told The Intercept. “Bhutan, not a signatory, has already accepted Nepalese from the U.S. and basically dumped them at the Indian border.”
We are rapidly becoming the worst country in the world.
I’m sure most of you remember the bad old days before Obamacare, when insurers could deny insurance (or charge massive premiums) for people who had the bad luck to be sick. It was a nightmare for millions of Americans who went broke and/or died because of it. Well, it looks like the Republicans are finding ways to undermine that provision of Obamacare. They won’t rest until they destroy it. I’m not sure they even know why they’re doing it anymore.
Obamacare did away with this institutional discrimination sustainably. It does have a provision called “guaranteed issue” that requires insurers to sell to all customers regardless of health status. But it also has a provision called “community rating,” which requires insurers to price plans based on the overall risk across a large pool of customers. A 40 year old with a clean bill of health and a 40 year old with diabetes must be able to buy the same plan for the same price. Then, to make sure all (or nearly all) customers can afford a plan, it offers a sliding scale of subsidies, more if your poor, less if your middle class, phasing out altogether at 400 percent of the poverty line1.
These formed the pillars of a viable marketplace. The law delivered insurers tens of millions of new customers, and delivered those tens of millions of customers the security that comes with comprehensive health insurance. But the structure of it made pre-existing conditions protections vulnerable to indirect attack, as well as outright repeal. Cut the subsidies, and the market shrinks; erect other barriers to enrollment and the market shrinks further; if the market shrinks enough, premiums increase; subsidies will cushion the blow for some, but they don’t do anything to help people with upper-middle class incomes. Drive too many people out of the markets, and insurance companies will pull up stakes. Individual health insurance might become unavailable in many regions of the country. Underwriting might still be a thing of the past. But what good are on-paper pre-existing conditions protections to a 40 year old diabetic if his health insurance costs thousands of dollars out of pocket every month, or isn’t even for sale where he lives?
This is how Republicans are coming after your health care.
It’s pretty diabolical:
The Republicans’ tax-and-health-care cuts legislation extends tax cuts and tax subsidies of all kinds, but not an enhanced tax subsidy for marketplace insurance, which they’ll allow to expire. The Trump administration wants to cut the open-enrollment period by two weeks, and deny benefits to Dreamers, and it hopes to codify these objectives in Trump’s tax-and-health-care cuts bill.
That bill will further shrink ACA marketplaces via pinprick sabotage, including by eliminating passive re-enrollment—a policy familiar to everyone who lets their workplace health plan roll over each year. It reduces attrition by re-enrolling consumers who don’t affirmatively choose to change or cancel their plans, so that people don’t ruin their lives through forgetfulness.
Taken altogether, the consulting group Wakely estimates that Republicans will reduce exchange enrollment by up to (or possibly more than) 13. 6 million beneficiaries, which is greater than half its current total. That will drive up premiums both by changing the composition of beneficiaries (healthier people are more likely to drop out) and by encouraging insurance companies to exit the markets.
Cutting the subsidies will price many people out. That makes the GOP very happy. But the passive enrollment part is also a killer. It’s similar to all the hoops they are making the Medicaid recipients go through to keep coverage as well. They are making it as complicated and difficult as possible so that people will inadvertently forget some bureaucratic step and fall off the rolls. They may not even know it’s happened until they try to get an appointment or end up in the emergency room.
This is horrible, of course. It’s what they do. And Democrats should never have been complacent about Obamacare. After all, Republicans have never stopped trying to destroy Social Security since it was enacted 90 years ago. Nothing decent has ever been safe from them.
I have no idea how all this sturm und drang over the One Big Brutal Bill will come out. And neither do I have any assurance that the GOP will pay at the ballot box for passing it. It certainly seems as if it should. But then, it seemed as if Americans wouldn’t want to re-elect the convicted felon who incited an insurrection either. I simply have no capacity to predict anything in this environment. Suffice to say it will be a nightmare if it passes regardless.
To all those people who have been saying that Trump’s genius bombing campaign was really designed to brijng Iran to the negotiating table and jump start those peace negotiations, think again:
Reporter: Are interested in restarting negotiations with Iran?
Trump: I’m not. They fought, the war is done. I just asked him the question as we were walking on the stage. Do you want to draw up a little agreement for them to sign? Because I think we can get them to sign it.. I… pic.twitter.com/abozY2QhkP
Reporter: Are you interested in restarting negotiations with Iran?
Trump: I’m not. They fought, the war is done. I just asked him the question as we were walking on the stage. Do you want to draw up a little agreement for them to sign? Because I think we can get them to sign it.. I don’t think it’s necessary
“Draw up a little agreement for them to sign” Lol.
It’s hard to know how delusional he is vs simply trying to save face after making his grandiose claim that he had “obliterated” the nuclear program. In fact he still seems quite confused about that:
Trump: "The intelligence was very inconclusive. The intelligence says we don't know. It could have been very severe. That's what the intelligence says. So I guess that's correct. But I think we can take the we don't know. It was very severe. It was obliteration." pic.twitter.com/QhIff7mHVq
Hegseth: So if you want to make an assessment of what happened.. you better get a big shovel and go really deep because Iran's nuclear program is obliterated pic.twitter.com/o4ZLRuPOHL
Trump was so thrilled by Pete’s performance he suggested changing the title of Secretary of Defense back to Secretary of War. Because he’s a peacenik.
Over the past ten years I have always assumed that most people around Trump know that he’s a narcissistic imbecile and go along with him because they are craven opportunists and maybe even sometimes actually care about the country and are trying to guide him. I’m seriously questioning that assumption these days. I think they are actually under his spell. He made a comeback against all odds and has pretty much brought the nation and the world to heel. They are entranced by his power and I think they have come to believe in it as much as he does.
He’s a magic man.
Witness, Marco Rubio, former normal person who saw through him from the beginning.
Marco Rubio: “I will make this promise to you today. I will do whatever it takes…Trump, a con artist, will never get control of this party…We cannot allow a con artist to get access to the nuclear codes of the United States of America.”pic.twitter.com/vFzS2bGRvR
Maybe he’s still just fluffing Trump for his own purposes but I’m really beginning to think that all these guys are now full fledged members of the MAGA cult — and that includes the congress. Sure, there are still cynics like Mitch McConnell in there happy to use him to fulfill their own agenda. But I think there are more true believers than we might think. After all, the man is a criminal monster and a moron and he not only survives he thrives. Maybe he is magic.
As Donald Trump’s alarming abuse of power has manifested itself across every aspect of the government, we’ve watched many of the powerful institutions we expected would resist, if only to preserve their own prerogatives, fail spectacularly. The most obvious is the Republican Congress which has essentially turned itself into a sad collection of dessicated potted plants, but it isn’t alone. Numerous universities, media companies, corporations, law firms even some of the states have abdicated their roles in our system of checks and balances. The notable exception so far has been the judiciary which has, for the most part, served as the necessary restraint on this out-of-control presidency. Unfortunately as cases have reached the Supreme Court it’s looking more and more like they too are going the way of the houseplants.
Most of the cases are slowly wending their way through the system but a number of the immigration cases have been taken up by the Supreme Court on an emergency basis. They made a few feints in the way of preserving the Constitution, by ruling that Trump cannot completely abandon the ancient concept of habeas corpus and instructing him to provide at least some rudimentary due process before throwing people into foreign gulags. But while none of the cases have been formally decided, the pattern of their decisions, often unsigned and without explanation, pretty clearly shows that they believe the president has the authority to pretty much do whatever he wants, even if it means defying the lower courts. In fact, their apparent reverence for the “unitary executive theory” is so intense you begin to wonder if they will decide that he has the right to defy them too.
The most recent decision came this week in the case of DHS vs D.V.D., in which the Court lifted an injunction that had prevented the government from deporting immigrants to “third countries” with which they had no previous relationship or experience and where they could face torture and death without giving them any ability to contest the decision. The administration said that they have already been deemed “deportable” so there’s no need to even tell them they are being shipped off to violent failed states like South Sudan or Libya.
The Court ok’d that monstrous policy in an unsigned order on its emergency docket. Perhaps they will change their minds if and when the case formally comes before them but it’s hard to see how that’s likely.
It’s also hard to imagine that they will overturn the recent order by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals that found Trump probably met the legal threshold required by U.S. law when he federalized the National Guard in Los Angeles. It seems absurd that anyone with the smallest bit of common sense could say that Los Angeles was in such a state of chaos that the president had to intervene but apparently that’s at his discretion to decide. (It’s just that no other president before him has ever had the gall to use it this way.) We await the ruling of the lower court judge as to whether Trump’s deployment of active duty marines violates the Posse Comitatus Act but again, considering how they’ve supported the president’s prerogative to do whatever he wants, it seems likely that the Supreme Court lands on his side of the issue once again.
Meanwhile, all of that seems more and more performative and unnecessary by the day. Los Angeles is under siege but not from protesters and not from the National Guard or the U.S. Marines either. It’s the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Customs and Border Patrol (CPB) agents who are rampaging across Los Angeles county like a roving, violent gang out of the dystopian crime novel A Clockwork Orange.
We have all seen horrific footage of police beatings before. We watched them kill George Floyd before our very eyes. So it’s not that violence under color of law is unprecedented. What we have not seen, at least since the days of the Ku Klux Klan, are unidentified, armed, masked men in groups assaulting and abducting people without warrants in workplaces, homes and on the streets. The sight of it is truly terrifying. But that, of course, is the point.
Social media is inundated with videos of these raids from all over the area. This footage of 48 year old gardener Narciso Barranco being beaten mercilessly by what appear to be CPB agents has gone viral but there are dozens just like it.
In a graphic video that has since gone viral on social media, about 7 or more masked men wearing U.S. Border Patrol vests are seen violently detaining a Santa Ana father before forcing him into the back of an unmarked car. Details: https://t.co/BgpTgNbNEWpic.twitter.com/UVn8lM2cf0
Barranco has three American sons who joined the marines, two of whom are still on active duty. He’s been here since he was a child and has worked and paid taxes for decades. His oldest son, a marine veteran who served in Afghanistan, was finally able to see his father in the downtown detention center and learned that he was injured in the beating and was living in squalid conditions with meager rations in a cell with dozens of other people.
He is one of many.
Video footage of the very beginning of the ICE raid in the Los Angeles Fashion District.
First arrest was a food vendor at the corner of E 9th Street & Main St.
— LongTime🤓FirstTime👨💻 (@LongTimeHistory) June 25, 2025
People are finding out that their relatives, neighbors and friends have been taken when they see videos like these. They are otherwise simply being disappeared off the streets and nobody knows what’s happened to them. It’s up to the community itself to document what’s going on and get it out there. Groups like Union Del Barrio, he Santanero, Santa Ana Problems, LA Taco in LA, Siempre Unidos L.A. are out in the streets, following the raids and filming them. People come out from behind closed doors and stop their cars and try to form protective rings around the hunted men and women, failing more often than not but refusing to make it easy to abduct these people under cover.
The agents are all disguised by their masks and refuse to give identification so there can be no accountability for these individuals who are carrying out this grotesque policy. But there will be a record of what they did.
According to the LA Times, the vast majority of those detained in LA County have no criminal record. And that holds true across the country:
New data show that ICE is pulling record numbers of people off the streets who have no criminal convictions of any kind. This is not just a change from the Biden admin. This is a radical tactical shift compared to Trump 1.0. These arrests are up over 1,000% from 2017.www.cato.org/blog/ice-arr…
Average people with strong ties to the U.S., including American children and other relatives are being deported by the thousands to who know where. Their families and communities are being torn apart, the local economies left reeling. And for what? To demonstrate that President Trump has complete control over this country and can do whatever he chooses?
At this point we are all hanging on to the thin reed of hope that the Supreme Court is going to uphold our understanding of the Constitution which says that we do not have a king or even an elected dictator. I wish I felt more confident that they will come through. Letting it go on as they have shows that they are lacking the moral conscience that could give us faith that they will do the right thing in the end.
Holy shit! This is what courage looks like. The American people are increasingly standing up to Trump's ICE Gestapo to protect their fellow brothers and sisters. 🙌💪👏👊🇺🇸👇 pic.twitter.com/ePyH0wLHH0
I’m still waiting for some bystander to dare these masked thugs to arrest them, and then remind them that their identities will come out in discovery before trial and be public record.
And MAGA? You’re all color blind. Those hats aren’t red. They’re black.
Senator John Sherman waving the bloody shirt, Puck, 1887 (public domain)
James Greenberg is Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at the Univesrity or Arizona. His Substack provides perhaps the best distillation of what MAGA means to its adherents that I’ve seen. The rest of us had best wise up to why facts don’t matter to them. We have to provide meaning before we can provide policies:
The MAGA worldview isn’t just political—it’s emotional, symbolic, and tribal. If we want to defend democracy, we need to understand what we’re really up against.
Many Americans today are struggling to make sense of the worldview that animates MAGA Republicans—not just their votes, but the lens through which they interpret nearly everything. What may look like a tangle of contradictions—demanding liberty while restricting rights, preaching patriotism while threatening democracy, claiming victimhood while wielding power—often forms a coherent narrative of betrayal, loss, and promised redemption. It names culprits, offers meaning, and vows to reverse decline.
At the heart of this worldview lies a potent story: America has been stolen. Not by a foreign enemy, but from within—by liberal elites, immigrants, globalists, and bureaucrats who, in this account, hijacked the nation from its rightful stewards. What’s being “taken” isn’t just institutional power, but a deeper sense of racial, cultural, and gendered entitlement—whiteness as default, masculinity as order, Christianity as moral compass. This is more than nostalgia for a mythic past. It’s a political theology of grievance that explains empty towns, shattered livelihoods, and the loss of social status—and then offers a redeemer.
What emerges isn’t an ideology in the traditional sense, but a political cosmology—a system of belief that organizes identity, resentment, and belonging. Institutions are reimagined as enemies. Schools become battlegrounds. Journalists are cast as propagandists. Even science is suspect—not for its method, but for its authority. Belief overrides evidence, and contradictions confirm, rather than disprove, the scale of the conspiracy. This isn’t just distrust—it’s epistemic secession, made possible by an ecosystem of media and messaging designed to replace inquiry with affirmation.
Trump didn’t create this cosmology, but he mastered its grammar. Not through policy, but performance. His appeal lies in symbolic defiance. He doesn’t govern; he enacts. Ritualized transgression—mocking rules, attacking institutions, glorifying dominance—signals that norms are for the weak. Facts are negotiable. Power belongs to those unafraid to seize it. His cruelty and swagger aren’t flaws. They restore a wounded masculinity and promise vengeance for imagined humiliation.
No Fort Sumter this time
It’s like bringing back the old honor codes, isn’t it? Like South Carolina congressman Preston Brooks’ 1856 caning of William Sumner in the Senate chambers for dishonoring the South by condemning slavery. Or the “waving the bloody shirt” myth that arose after Klansmen delivered a savage beating to Allen P. Huggins, a Northerner living in Mississippi, for the crime in 1871 of trying to “educate the negroes.” Southerners once again claimed their honor besmirched over the alleged display of said shirt, an artifact of a crime, on the floor of the United States Congress.
Or like the South’s imagined wrongs Lincoln outlined in his 1860 Cooper Union speech where the Fugitive Slave Act was at issue. The facts are spurious. The resentments are real.
This is how authority functions when stripped of legitimacy—through spectacle, repetition, and threat. Anthropologists have long studied how rituals, gestures, and myths sustain regimes of power. Trumpism operates not through law but through permission. It licenses cruelty, rewards loyalty, and punishes doubt. Like a revival meeting, it offers salvation—not of the soul, but of the nation. Redemption through rage.
Violence, too, is part of the liturgy. January 6 wasn’t an aberration—it was a dress rehearsal. MAGA doesn’t shy from violence; it sanctifies it. Armed mobs, threats against officials, fantasies of civil war—these are not fringe excesses but central affirmations. Force is reimagined as justice. Intimidation becomes proof of virtue.
The ICE masks, the guns, the body armor, the running down of “fugitive” immigrants. All part of the intimidation. An “agent” who bumps into a protester was “assaulted.” An immigrant fleeing being pepper sprayed viciously “attacked” virtuous agents with his weedeater as he ran away.
So the question becomes: what can be done?
First, we must stop treating this as a matter of messaging or fact correction. MAGA is not a misunderstanding. It is a counternarrative. And counternarratives are not defeated by evidence—they’re displaced by more compelling visions. Democracy’s defenders must offer something better than a return to normal. We must offer belonging. Purpose. A story of inclusion that doesn’t require someone else’s exclusion. One that says: you matter, your town matters, and your voice counts.
Second, we must reinvest in the civic infrastructure that makes pluralism possible. That means public schools not as test-prep factories but civic institutions. Local journalism, libraries, youth centers—spaces where strangers become neighbors. Democracy doesn’t self-repair. It must be rehearsed, cared for, renewed.
Third, we must hold accountable those who profit from decay. MAGA leaders aren’t revolutionaries. They are opportunists in patriotic drag. They rage against elites while cashing donor checks, dodge taxes while preaching sacrifice, and stoke chaos to consolidate control. They flourish not despite neoliberal disinvestment, but because of it—converting economic betrayal into moral grievance.
Fourth, we must resist the temptation to mimic their tactics. Authoritarian movements thrive on moral erosion. They want us to become cynical, to abandon the very norms we claim to defend. That means we must uphold civil liberties even for those who oppose us, reject caricature even when used against us, and protect the rule of law especially when it’s inconvenient. The goal isn’t just to win power. It’s to preserve the conditions under which power remains contestable.
Finally, we must think long-term. This is not a season. It is a generational struggle. MAGA is not an anomaly—it’s a symptom of deeper failures: inequality, isolation, disinvestment, the corrosion of civic trust. We are confronting not just a man or a movement, but the vacuum they’ve filled. The space left behind when democracy was reduced to transactions and identity to resentment.
Understanding MAGA is not about sympathy. It’s about strategy. And strategy begins by recognizing that we are not merely defending norms or countering lies—we are contesting meaning itself. The fight ahead is not only for the machinery of government. It is for the moral imagination of what government is for—and who gets to belong in its promises.
At this point, and invasion by space aliens might be welcome. It might feel like an intervention.
Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, Senior Fellow at the American Immigration Council paraphrased the letter on BlueSky:
Erez Reuveni, the DOJ lawyer fired for his honesty in the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, sends Congress a whistleblower letter detailing lawlessness at the DOJ around the CECOT deportations.
He says Emil Bove told the DOJ to respond to likely court orders blocking flights with “fuck you.” Reuveni accuses Drew Ensign, the DOJ lawyer appearing for the Trump admin in the CECOT cases and other immigration cases, of lying to Judge Boasberg on March 15 when he said he didn’t know planes were taking off. He says Ensign was at a meeting the day before when the flight were planned.
Reuveni says that on March 15 he was emailing DHS updates telling them that Judge Boasberg was entering a court order to block the flights, worried that Ensign wouldn’t act. His supervisor, August Flentje, noted Bove’s “fuck you” line and joked Reuveni might be fired for raising alarm. He was.
Reuveni notes that he repeatedly told DHS throughout the night of March 15 that they had to follow court orders. Even Drew Ensign agreed Judge Boasberg’s order required them to turn the planes around. Emil Bove intervened and ordered DHS to ignore that interpretation.
Reuveni’s whistleblower account also says that senior DOJ leadership directly ordered DHS not to comply with Judge Boasberg’s order to report as to what happened with the flights. Drew Ensign, who was appearing in front of Boasberg, was personally involved in passing along this decision.
Relevant to yesterday, Reuveni also accuses senior DOJ leadership of defying the D.V.D. court order, with the DOJ refusing to distribute nationwide guidance on its impact despite the order quite clearly applying nationwide. Yesterday SCOTUS blessed other defiance in that case.
Reuveni says he was ordered to file a brief at the 1st Circuit seeking an emergency stay of the D.V.D. injunction. The brief argued that the order applied nationwide, and yet Reuveni knew that inside DHS, the Trump admin was saying it only applied to the named plaintiffs — so he refused at first.
After Reuveni again raised serious concerns that DHS was treating the D.V.D. injunction as if it hadn’t happened and didn’t apply nationwide (despite telling a court it agreed), Drew Ensign personally told him to stop sending emails raising concerns about noncompliance.
On March 31, when the Trump admin deported more people to El Salvador using military flights, Reuveni knew that those flights violated the D.V.D. court order. He says the DOD’s General Counsel didn’t know about the court order and was “upset” that DHS hadn’t told him about it.
Reuveni, again investigating what appeared to be a clear violation of a court order, reached out to the DOD and the State Department. The DOD’s General Counsel says Joseph Mazzara had organized the flights — but Mazzara told Reuveni he didn’t know anything about them.
Reuveni, again investigating what appeared to be a clear violation of a court order, reached out to the DOD and the State Department. The DOD’s General Counsel says Joseph Mazzara had organized the flights — but Mazzara told Reuveni he didn’t know anything about them.
After Reuveni raised his serious concerns about the admin having violated a court order, Yaakov Roth, a senior DOJ attorney put there by Trump, ordered him to stop asking questions and stop writing things in email. The implication was that the admin wanted to hide from FOIA.
Turning to the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case, which got Reuveni fired, he says that he repeatedly raised serious concerns about the facts and the law — and that DOJ leadership again ordered him to stop asking questions and stop trying to uncover the truth of the matter.
Finally, Mr. Reuveni says that he was ultimately fired because he refused to sign a legal brief making an argument that was directly contrary to law and unsupported by any evidence put forward in the case — that Abrego Garcia’s deportation was legal because he was a “terrorist.”
Mr. Reuveni’s whistleblower letter is a shocking documentation of the Trump administration’s contempt for the rule of law and for the federal judiciary. Unfortunately, yesterday the Supreme Court arguably blessed this defiant attitude from the admin.
“In my experience litigating against him, what he enjoyed most as a prosecutor was wielding power — the single worst possible trait for a public servant,” said Christine Chung, a former federal prosecutor who as a defense attorney has squared off against Bove. “But people won’t speak against him publicly because he’s also vindictive, as he is now making abundantly clear.”
Trump has nominated him to a federal judgeship. If he gets on the bench look for Thomas to resign in 2027 and Bove will be nominated to replace him.
Remember Pizzagate? Q-Anon? The obsession with the Epstein files? All the overwrought right wing conspiracy theories about pedophilia for the last 10 years?
The federal government is suing Washington state over a new law that some Catholic priests refuse to follow.
Senate Bill 5375, signed into law by Gov. Bob Ferguson last month, adds clergy to the list of mandatory reporters of sexual abuse.
That’s common in most other states — but Washington’s new law also applies to what’s shared during confession, a usually confidential sacrament for Catholics where what you say to a priest stays in the confessional booth. Only six other states had similar laws, a federal review in 2019 found.
Washington’s new law was targeted by Trump’s justice department last month, and on Monday, DOJ lawyers argued it violates freedom of religion provisions in the First Amendment.
“Laws that explicitly target religious practices such as the Sacrament of Confession in the Catholic Church have no place in our society,” Assistant Attorney General Harmeet K. Dhillon of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division wrote in a press release Monday. “Senate Bill 5375 unconstitutionally forces Catholic priests in Washington to choose between their obligations to the Catholic Church and their penitents or face criminal consequences.”
The Governor, a lifelong Catholic said, “It is disappointing, but not surprising, to see the DOJ seek to shield and protect child abusers.”
Definitely not surprising.
The Catholic pedophile scandal is the biggest and most shocking sex scandal in history. It went on for decades probably centuries and the Church fought taking action every step of the way, including today. And they still have their protectors — the allegedly religious, traditional values true believers. Like Donald Trump.
People are supposed to take moral instruction from these people?
