Hey, Hey, Joe and J

by digby

So Holy Joe backed St John McCain’s call for more troops this morning. If Bush agrees, which I think is possible considering his temperament and history, then they can be the Johnson and McNamara of 2008.

Newsweek reports:

Since the election, the Arizona senator has pushed for more, not fewer, troops in the Iraq conflict, claiming “without additional ground forces we will not win this war.” It’s a striking stance for a man considered to be the front runner for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, considering the American public’s growing impatience for the end of the war. Even in conservative New Hampshire, 38 percent of voters now support bringing troops “home ASAP,” according to the most recent Granite State poll. South Carolina, where a tough defeat ended McCain’s 2000 campaign, will play an even more influential role in 2008 thanks to early placement in the primary calendar. There, too, Republican voters are growing unhappy with the war. “People are wondering how long this is going to go on,” says Buddy Witherspoon, a Republican National Committeeman from Columbia. “I don’t think a proposal like that is going to get McCain any votes down here.”

Privately, some McCain supporters have begun to worry that the senator’s hard line on the war may turn off the moderate, independent-minded voters who’ve long formed the bedrock of his primary support. “We lost independents,” says one campaign adviser, who asked for anonymity discussing the politics of national security. “McCain will have to get them back to win, or at least convince them to trust him.”

Still, some members of McCain’s inner circle are convinced the position could actually work to his advantage—reminding independents of the maverick they fell in love with in 2000. In a 2008 campaign, aides say, the senator would accentuate his differences with the Bush administration over management of the Iraq occupation, stressing his early criticism of ousted Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the persistent call for more troops. The hope, the campaign adviser says, is that even antiwar voters will gradually come to accept the position as “a long-term stand based on principle.”

I have written about this before. The McCain Iraq escalation plan is a very dicey proposition, but not necessarily for the reasons stated in that article. He’s making some assumptions about the state of play in 2008, not how voters are thinking in 2006. If there is no escalation and things continue to disintegrate, which it will no matter what we do, it allows McCain to run against both Bush and the Democrats (as any GOP candidate will have to do) and say that if they’d followed his advice we would have won the war. The Democrat will be left with “we should have admitted that we lost two years ago” which is not exactly a stirring refrain. The lines are already being drawn between the cowardly Dems who urged a pullout and the brave Republicans who did their best and were betrayed by the vast hippie conspiracy. Nobody will be better positioned to creatively use that argument for himself than McCain if he can say that he had the “winning” plan and nobody listened.

I realize that is an absurd position. But when you’re talking about presidential politics it’s exactly the kind of position that can win. I think it’s a very smart move.

However, if the McCain Iraq escalation plan is actually gaining ground, as it seems to be, with his exact request for 20,000 troops being bandied about by the Pentagon and others, then perhaps McCain is going to see his plan put into action rather than have it as a conveniently theoretical alternate reality. As I said before, I don’t want to see any more troops sent over to that meat grinder. But if it happens, it’s going to mess up McCain, big time.

If he goes into ’08 being the guy who escalated the war when we were about to end it and it didn’t work, he’s got a problem. If it remains theoretical, he may be able to get away with it by appealing to American’s need to believe that we would have won if only we’d done it right. Nobody should delude themselves into thinking that many Americans aren’t going to find that appealing. In America “losing” must be blamed on someone and firmly establishing the other side as being responsible is going to be the number one job of both parties and each individual candidate over the next two years. It isn’t going to be pretty.

St John and Holy Joe are pushing to send more troops to their deaths for cynical political reasons. They are betting that Bush won’t do what they want him to do. I certainly hope they don’t send any more soldiers over there to get killed. But it would probably be better for the Democrats if they did.

If Bush doesn’t do the wrong thing this one time then the Dems had better figure out another way to block his play.

*tristero muses below about another theory — that Bush will withdraw to the borders. St John would drop to his knees and thank the good lord Jesus and Allah too is Bush were kind and generous enough to let that happen. The last thing he wants is for Bush to actually follow his advice.

I realize that it is also cynical for me to even be considering the political implications in all the horrible options. But in my view Bush is going nowhere, no matter what Uncle Jimmie and the boys or anybody else says. It’s just not in his nature — or Cheney’s. So what Democrats do about the war are largely a hypothetical questions to do with the 2008 election. I wish I could believe that someone could make George W. Bush or Joe Lieberman see reason on this but it’s not going to happen. All that’s left is who gets the blame.

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